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    Salt & Koi Advantage/Mediclay

    Evening guys,

    First time poster, I'm running salt at the moment after dealing with flukes and a nasty ulcer on my Shiro. Salted to 7.65ppt or 0.76% for exactly one week (must say the result on the shiro is outstanding)

    I did a water change yesterday, 20% to start the slow dilution process of the salt.

    Question, can you use mediclay or Koi Master Advantage with salted water.

    (Also, just pulled the trigger on a momataro single width and 60kg BHM)

    Thanks guys,



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    Yes you can, Mediclay for example clarify that it can be used at any temp and with salt. That's a high level of salt mind? Going to take forever to remove with that amount.
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    It is a large amount of salt. But with regular water changes, it'll soon be up to scratch! :-)

    Do you know if it's the same for Koi Masters Advtange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snipesworth View Post
    It is a large amount of salt. But with regular water changes, it'll soon be up to scratch! :-)

    Do you know if it's the same for Koi Masters Advtange?

    Removing salt from a pond by water changes is a long process. Ten water changes of 10% each are not equivalent to a 100% change. Each 10% change only reduces the concentration that existed immediately prior to the change by 10% not the original concentration. For example, after the first change the concentration will be reduced to 90% of the original but the second change will only reduce that 90% by 10% leaving 81% still remaining. The third 10% change will reduce the 81% by a further 10% leaving 72.9% of the original amount still there.

    It takes twenty nine 10% water changes to reduce the concentration to below 5% of the original strength as shown in the table of water changes on the link below.

    Even if the scale of the changes is increased to 25% it will still take eleven 25% water changes to reduce the concentration to below 5% of the original as shown in the table of 25% water changes.

    This doesn’t only apply to removing salt by dilution with water changes, it also applies to Koi Masters Advantage or any other chemical that is put into the pond that doesn’t break down or decompose of its own accord or isn’t removed by bacterial action.

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    Does that apply to the oxidising agent in things like PP? It's been over a week since I added a small dose to the pond and have done a 20 % water change but when I test for chlorine using DPD4 tablets it goes pink instantly but each time I retest over the coming days it gets a paler and paler pink but never gets as dark as the previous test? I was told this was due to the oxidising agent in the PP still being present even though the PP is long gone from being active. BTW the person who told me was one of your mates Syd so though what they were saying was correct?
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    I never really understand why people are worried about how long it takes to get rid of salt from a pond. If I spend 5 hours dissolving 150kg of salt I dont want it to all be gone very fast
    From the POV of the koi, a gradual decline in salinity is probably better for them to adapt to it slowly than a sudden drop.Of course it does depend on why you’ve put the salt in to begin with. I’ve only ever done it to assist ICC in getting rid of costia. One of my fish has knocked some of his scales out during some violent spawning behaviour so I might have to consider doing it for his benefit if he doesn’t heal up just with heat (pond now at 22C). No way he would fit in my QT as he’s over 70cm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    I never really understand why people are worried about how long it takes to get rid of salt from a pond. If I spend 5 hours dissolving 150kg of salt I dont want it to all be gone very fast
    From the POV of the koi, a gradual decline in salinity is probably better for them to adapt to it slowly than a sudden drop.Of course it does depend on why you’ve put the salt in to begin with. I’ve only ever done it to assist ICC in getting rid of costia. One of my fish has knocked some of his scales out during some violent spawning behaviour so I might have to consider doing it for his benefit if he doesn’t heal up just with heat (pond now at 22C). No way he would fit in my QT as he’s over 70cm.
    What's the procedure for using salt to protect from a nitrite spike when maturing a QT system?

    I know you are supposed to add it slowly and not directly undissolved into the tank and not go full strength 0.6%?
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