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    Spitting food can be a wide range of things as I have learned, but parasites and flukes in particular are the first thing to rule out. Keep scraping until you find something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Noticed my Goshiki is spitting pellets now but the Showa seems to be back to its normal self (as normal as I know of it as its only a week and a bit old in my pond!) I wonder if the flukes are multiplying as its been around 16 in my pond the last few days. Tempted to treat for flukes as have found them recently and spitting food is a sign of Gill flukes.
    Hopefully it's not going to be too serious and you can get it sorted pronto.

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    Scraped a few fish again today.
    First off, a couple of fish that were looking a bit listless, all I found was one dead fluke. Then scraped a very healthy looking Ogon and couldn't believe what I was seeing, the sample under the microscope was just a seething mass of flukes, could hardly see a gap between them.

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    Oh dear, the best of luck with it g mac.

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    At least you have found the issue G Mac. My new Showa is still testing me, she has a bit of mucus on her head and shoulders and was spitting some food but seems to be eating as normal again. Not sure what to do at the moment, scrapes proved fruitless last time apart from one dead Trich, and since then I have seen zero flashing or flicking. Everything seems fine now and all fish are eating happily but the showa has the mucus. Sitting on my hands at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    At least you have found the issue G Mac. My new Showa is still testing me, she has a bit of mucus on her head and shoulders and was spitting some food but seems to be eating as normal again. Not sure what to do at the moment, scrapes proved fruitless last time apart from one dead Trich, and since then I have seen zero flashing or flicking. Everything seems fine now and all fish are eating happily but the showa has the mucus. Sitting on my hands at the moment.
    It can be a real worry can't it?

    I'm still surprised at the quantity of flukes on the one fish and the fact that he feeds well, is not sulking and actually looks healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    It can be a real worry can't it?

    I'm still surprised at the quantity of flukes on the one fish and the fact that he feeds well, is not sulking and actually looks healthy.
    Certainly is, more so when you have lost fished in the past like we have. It makes it difficult to decide what to do that's for sure. I have scraped twice recently and found a total of 1 live trich, one dead one and a live fluke. Due to the fact that the fish are all seemingly happy I don't want to interfere at the moment. It's only my new showa that plays games, she's been fine for the last 3-4 days, but goes through phases where she eats a little then spits food and swims about below the food but don't really eat much, to literally steamrolling through the others to eat as much as she can as quickly as she can, so as you can imagine, it leaves me a bit unsure with how to deal with it. At the end of the week it seems like the spring temps are finally arriving with consistency so I will just continue to monitor for now but I have fluke treatments and others to hand if need be and work from home so can get scrapes done if she starts acting up again! I do wonder if she's just a bit sensitive as the other koi are all completely fine, and as I said, one day she's a bit off then the next 5 she's a gannet!

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    Some are effected more than others probably due to their immune system or general resistance to things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Certainly is, more so when you have lost fished in the past like we have. It makes it difficult to decide what to do that's for sure. I have scraped twice recently and found a total of 1 live trich, one dead one and a live fluke. Due to the fact that the fish are all seemingly happy I don't want to interfere at the moment. It's only my new showa that plays games, she's been fine for the last 3-4 days, but goes through phases where she eats a little then spits food and swims about below the food but don't really eat much, to literally steamrolling through the others to eat as much as she can as quickly as she can, so as you can imagine, it leaves me a bit unsure with how to deal with it. At the end of the week it seems like the spring temps are finally arriving with consistency so I will just continue to monitor for now but I have fluke treatments and others to hand if need be and work from home so can get scrapes done if she starts acting up again! I do wonder if she's just a bit sensitive as the other koi are all completely fine, and as I said, one day she's a bit off then the next 5 she's a gannet!
    Got a showa exactly the same, he/she was very unwell, but looks to have fully recovered, but some days I've got to really look for him/her, but then feeds well and swims with the rest, did notice my Shiro flash a few times, he/she was/had also been unwell, noticed a sanke flash as well, don't really want to go chasing them about with a net for now, but will keep an eye on things.

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    I've 0.5 % salt level in pond at the moment, what can I use for flukes if I do find anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    I've 0.5 % salt level in pond at the moment, what can I use for flukes if I do find anything?
    Aurora Koi have flukesolve and Lernex, think they are the go to ones.

    I went with Amazon this time, purely because I discovered such a severe outbreak yesterday and wanted to get the treatment started today. Prime membership meant it got here this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    Aurora Koi have flukesolve and Lernex, think they are the go to ones.

    I went with Amazon this time, purely because I discovered such a severe outbreak yesterday and wanted to get the treatment started today. Prime membership meant it got here this morning.

    Are the ok to use with salt in pond, got Acriflavine here, but I don't think that can solve flukes, that's if I've got them of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    Are the ok to use with salt in pond, got Acriflavine here, but I don't think that can solve flukes, that's if I've got them of course.
    Not sure about that Tom, I know some products can't be used if salt is present.

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    I can't guide with the mixture of fluke products and salt, they vary in ingredients so all products need their own information. I know Acraflavin & salt are fine together though, but unfortunately flukes are not affected by either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    I can't guide with the mixture of fluke products and salt, they vary in ingredients so all products need their own information. I know Acraflavin & salt are fine together though, but unfortunately flukes are not affected by either.
    Seen a few of my fish flash last few days, my young chag I've noticed most today and my showa did it today one of the sanke's and shiro I've seen do it, I know some fish do it for no particular reason, but for me to see 4 doing it, there could be somin going on, the fish I haven't seen do it may well have been.

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    It certainly sounds like there is, I only had one fish flashing relatively frequently in my pond and although I found nothing on that particular fish, there was trich and flukes present on another, albeit literally one of each. The one thing that I think has helped is keeping a relatively consistent temperature around 14 degrees rather than lots of jumps and drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    It certainly sounds like there is, I only had one fish flashing relatively frequently in my pond and although I found nothing on that particular fish, there was trich and flukes present on another, albeit literally one of each. The one thing that I think has helped is keeping a relatively consistent temperature around 14 degrees rather than lots of jumps and drops.
    My temperature has fluctuated was approaching 19degrees last week with that warm weather, it is around 16 now, there's a noticeable difference will that's what it seems to me anyway.

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    Just put in the second dose of Fluke Solve this morning. Judging by the behaviour of a few of the fish, it was definitely needed. Some still spitting food and a couple flashing and then swimming rapidly around the pond

    So hope this second dose sorts it. If I can't get it sorted this season, I really will consider packing it in, hate seeing the fish distressed but also I can't just keep on throwing money at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g mac View Post
    Just put in the second dose of Fluke Solve this morning. Judging by the behaviour of a few of the fish, it was definitely needed. Some still spitting food and a couple flashing and then swimming rapidly around the pond

    So hope this second dose sorts it. If I can't get it sorted this season, I really will consider packing it in, hate seeing the fish distressed but also I can't just keep on throwing money at it.
    I spoke to Paula Reynolds yesterday, I phoned to order Activex as I've run out and she told me that there is another strain of Fluke, that is resistant to the usual treatments, when you look at them through the microscope they are fatter in the middle part of the body, where as the regular Fluke is streamlined so to speak, there's a new treatment by Vetark called Fluke Solve plus that can treat for them, I've looked that up, but unable to find it myself though.

    If anyone can shed some light on the product, be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    I spoke to Paula Reynolds yesterday, I phoned to order Activex as I've run out and she told me that there is another strain of Fluke, that is resistant to the usual treatments, when you look at them through the microscope they are fatter in the middle part of the body, where as the regular Fluke is streamlined so to speak, there's a new treatment by Vetark called Fluke Solve plus that can treat for them, I've looked that up, but unable to find it myself though.

    If anyone can shed some light on the product, be great.
    I mentioned Fluke solve plus on here a little while ago but no one followed up on it. I'm not sure if it's been released for sale yet?
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