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    Running costs to keep a healthy pond and happy fish

    I'm guessing here in Thailand will be slightly cheaper than the UK due to not having to deal with winter.
    Here in Thailand my average running cost per month for a 5400 gallon pond with 32 good size fish is this

    Food £75
    Water zero now due to water well (and were in the rainy season)
    Chemistry: Sites, Barcarbonat soda anti green ~£80
    Electric £120
    Filter media (Pads for Baki Shower) £10
    Total £285 per month

    How does that compare to you guys back home?
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    That's about £9 per fish, I have 9 fish so (say) £81 per month.

    Hmmm, I'd like to think it's less than that but don't have figures to hand.

    As we are coming into winter feeding is a lot less and no 'green' to fight but electric will be up because the heater is on to hold 14 degrees.

    Chemistry is electronic so big investment but low consumable cost and I have barely dented a 25 kg bag of bicarb.

    Will follow others replies with interest but can't say I'm too fussed about keeping a close eye on it - ignorance is bliss

    Jim
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    Hmmmm interesting, well I have no idea at the moment, I used to spend LOADS on blanket week treatments, say £50 a month on food and luckily no water meter, electric used to be 217 watts but now I am doubling the size of my pond power consumption is hoping to be 481 watts as a constant but upto 745w if everything is on full pelt !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jampot View Post
    That's about £9 per fish, I have 9 fish so (say) £81 per month.

    Hmmm, I'd like to think it's less than that but don't have figures to hand.

    As we are coming into winter feeding is a lot less and no 'green' to fight but electric will be up because the heater is on to hold 14 degrees.

    Chemistry is electronic so big investment but low consumable cost and I have barely dented a 25 kg bag of bicarb.

    Will follow others replies with interest but can't say I'm too fussed about keeping a close eye on it - ignorance is bliss

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jampot View Post
    That's about £9 per fish, I have 9 fish so (say) £81 per month.

    Hmmm, I'd like to think it's less than that but don't have figures to hand.

    As we are coming into winter feeding is a lot less and no 'green' to fight but electric will be up because the heater is on to hold 14 degrees.

    Chemistry is electronic so big investment but low consumable cost and I have barely dented a 25 kg bag of bicarb.

    Will follow others replies with interest but can't say I'm too fussed about keeping a close eye on it - ignorance is bliss

    Jim
    Just a quick question & off topic Jim, but what electronic water monitoring do you use?

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    I'm with you Jim - don't really want to know :-)

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    what electronic water monitoring do you use?
    During planning of the refurb I resolved to use a Seneye monitor with wifi (lost the whole pond to a pH crash in Autumn 2017 while on holiday) so that was about 300 spondoolics up front. It uses a 'slide', a bit like a sim card that has to be replaced every 30 days at a tad under £8 each. The Seneye reads NH3, pH and temperature every half hour and I have a tab which updates every time I open a browser window so bang up to date every time I check email or browse here (for instance). Previous readings can be looked back over too, so for instance, first thing in the morning I can see what happened overnight or compare yesterday with the day before and so on, and any trend is immediately obvious.

    I wasn't comfortable with the results I was getting from a Colombo test kit for nitrite and Nitrate so slashed out on 2 Hanna Pocket testers, one for Ammonia and one for Nitrite. These use reagents so some consumable cost but now the pond has settled down and I have confidence the Seneye is doing it's job correctly I only use them occasionally including after changing a Seneye slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jampot View Post
    During planning of the refurb I resolved to use a Seneye monitor with wifi (lost the whole pond to a pH crash in Autumn 2017 while on holiday) so that was about 300 spondoolics up front. It uses a 'slide', a bit like a sim card that has to be replaced every 30 days at a tad under £8 each. The Seneye reads NH3, pH and temperature every half hour and I have a tab which updates every time I open a browser window so bang up to date every time I check email or browse here (for instance). Previous readings can be looked back over too, so for instance, first thing in the morning I can see what happened overnight or compare yesterday with the day before and so on, and any trend is immediately obvious.

    I wasn't comfortable with the results I was getting from a Colombo test kit for nitrite and Nitrate so slashed out on 2 Hanna Pocket testers, one for Ammonia and one for Nitrite. These use reagents so some consumable cost but now the pond has settled down and I have confidence the Seneye is doing it's job correctly I only use them occasionally including after changing a Seneye slide.

    Jim
    Hmmmm I like the sound of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jampot View Post
    During planning of the refurb I resolved to use a Seneye monitor with wifi (lost the whole pond to a pH crash in Autumn 2017 while on holiday) so that was about 300 spondoolics up front. It uses a 'slide', a bit like a sim card that has to be replaced every 30 days at a tad under £8 each. The Seneye reads NH3, pH and temperature every half hour and I have a tab which updates every time I open a browser window so bang up to date every time I check email or browse here (for instance). Previous readings can be looked back over too, so for instance, first thing in the morning I can see what happened overnight or compare yesterday with the day before and so on, and any trend is immediately obvious.

    I wasn't comfortable with the results I was getting from a Colombo test kit for nitrite and Nitrate so slashed out on 2 Hanna Pocket testers, one for Ammonia and one for Nitrite. These use reagents so some consumable cost but now the pond has settled down and I have confidence the Seneye is doing it's job correctly I only use them occasionally including after changing a Seneye slide.

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    Iím using a Colombo kit, what were you unhappy about?


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    I didn't mean to imply any criticism of the Colombo kit per se, it seems highly thought of. Rather the issue was my interpretation of the hues when comparing the test result with the reference cards and some apparent anomalies. Some may have been part of NPS as well.

    For instance, everything was new apart from some short lengths of pipe on the returns and those hadn't run for over 18 months so presumably no bacteria activity. Bio filtration was all anoxic which shouldn't produce nitrate, and Colombo tests suggested high nitrate and high phosphate. I'm not suggesting the tests were wrong particularly since I had an algae bloom. The doubt then caused me to question the results for ammonia and nitrite, doubts which don't concern me with the Hanna testers.

    Bear in mind that each Hanna tester is about twice the price of a Colombo kit!

    I still use the Colombo kit for pH, kH and nitrate tests but don't worry that something could be wrong and put the fish in jeopardy without me recognising it.

    During a work related medical examination over 50 years ago the doctor pronounced me colour blind, mild but it would disqualify me from train driving apparently
    I don't keep fish, I keep water. I don't keep fish, I keep water. I don't keep fish I kee........

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    I can’t for the life of me see how your shower media could be a monthly cost. Are you making monthly repayments on a loan to buy it or something?

    Pond costs are very seasonal.

    Food up to £150 a month at peak times, much less in winter.
    Electricity costs very little in summer when running on solar for 15 hrs of the day.
    Electricity costs higher right now where I’m heated to feeding temperatures uncovered and solar power only covering a handful of hours of the day. Impossible to quantify, but average electricity bill £150 a month for whole house and charging up 2 cars. Maybe half is the pond??

    Bicarb 25kg sack maybe annually- £30
    Testing chemicals, iDip strips - £30 a yearish
    Charcoal big blue refills, jumbo cartridges, RO membranes £300 a year approx

    Water costs- this is the big one. On metered water and running recycling RO, water bill is £180 a month (not all on the pond but mostly)

    There are always incidental expenses though with a pond- new fish, things you want to add to the filtration, new gadgets, costs of any treatments bowls and nets. Travel and entry to koi shows in a normal year. Pumps, air pumps, UV bulbs may need replacing from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    I canít for the life of me see how your shower media could be a monthly cost. Are you making monthly repayments on a loan to buy it or something?

    .
    My shower is home made.........I have coral as the main media and

    use one
    Of these in each of the 3 tanks to collect any fines, after one week they are really dirty so they do a great job.
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