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    The battle begins.

    So tonight the pool has finally reached the same temperature as the pond and as a result the fish have been moved. I treated the 3 with sores/ulcers on. Gave them a good clean up and sealed them up properly. I measured my Goshiki and he's grown a couple of CM to 47cm from 44/45cm. Its also darkening along its back so the red is standing out even more, lets hope it continues to improve and so far this one has only got a tiny red sore in its mouth which has been improving since I first noticed it so I haven't done anything to this and am leaving it to heal naturally as looks like its nearly there.

    As for the pond, I have added a double dose of PP in the now fishless pond. I will check in the morning that hopefully the water is still purple but if not I may add another double dose to make sure the pond is fully cleaned. The next step after this will be scrubbing the sides whilst the water is still in to get all the algae/dead blanket weed off the walls so I can inspect it once empty and then I will empty the pond possibly starting on Friday.

    Is there anything else worth adding to the water before emptying to help cleanse it?like salt or virkon tablets?I am thinking once its empty I will make a bucket of water with Virkon tablets in and use a sponge to wipe it all over the inside of the pond to ensure they are clean and bacteria free.

    Lets hope I can finally start getting the upper hand in this war with poor water quality and start enjoying the hobby a bit instead of suffering losses and frustration like it seems a lot of us are at the moment. If anything at least I can rule out the lack of flushing after the fibreglass and look elsewhere to solve any issues.



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    Good luck!

    It sounds like a lot of faff, but as you say, at least you can put your mind to rest about the fibreglass.

    Will you be treating the fish whilst in the temp pool? Might be worth salting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twhitenosugar View Post
    Good luck!

    It sounds like a lot of faff, but as you say, at least you can put your mind to rest about the fibreglass.

    Will you be treating the fish whilst in the temp pool? Might be worth salting it.
    I have thought about putting Acraflavine in to help the fish heal but I am going to scrape them over the weekend to see if theres anything else that needs dealing with.

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    The pond is nearly empty minus the last inch or so which I am using a bucket and jugs to empty it. can't see much of the fibreglass due to the brown algae stuck firm on the sides where the clay has covered it and its gone rock solid.0CA460C9-1B45-479F-9B4E-BC0F625C07E4.jpg
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    Really hope you get to the bottom of this, you helped me alot with advice for my build and you deserve to enjoy the hobby after all the hard work you put in without all these additional problems.

    Best of luck

    Can i ask you how you've reached the conclusion that the fibreglass had cured ok and the lack of rinsing before filling has not attributed to your issues?
    I'm only asking because after reading your other thread i realised i didn't do a thorough flush after the top coat was applied on my pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfrosty View Post
    Really hope you get to the bottom of this, you helped me alot with advice for my build and you deserve to enjoy the hobby after all the hard work you put in without all these additional problems.

    Best of luck

    Can i ask you how you've reached the conclusion that the fibreglass had cured ok and the lack of rinsing before filling has not attributed to your issues?
    I'm only asking because after reading your other thread i realised i didn't do a thorough flush after the top coat was applied on my pond.
    Thanks mate, I haven't yet. First look at the walls from what I can see theres no evidence any of it there hasn't gone off fine, although the only place I would suspect it would be the base of the pond which is still holding a little water currently but now the weekend shop and what not is out the way I will be taking the bottom drain top off and dropping my sump pump in to get the last of the water out instead of breaking my back with a full bucket of water on a step ladder. How I didn't think of this before I don't bloody know!!!

    I didn't flush my pond after fibreglassing though so I am hoping this is the issue and once I refill it will be fine. I would be very surprised if any hadn't gone off as all the walls etc were hard and fine and it was not filled for a period of time due to finishing other bits on the pond, maybe a month before it was filled however water did creep in on occasions and I would get it out when it did. As I mentioned in my other thread, I did find 2 tacky bits where the water had probably dripped on the fibreglass and as a result was still tacky, about the size of a 50p, but I kept dry and then smothered in CT1 to ensure the top coat was sealed in so I am sure these wouldn't be the issue.

    Having emptied the pond I took to opportunity to use some CT1 to fill and level out the gap between the bottom edge of the window and the fibreglass seat for the window as the fish would flank on this and it was obviously sharp so this is now all smooth and the only area the fish could potentially damage themselves on.

    Another thing is I have ammonia in my tap water when I tested it, more so than I ever found in my pond, so when I refill the pond I will probably do fortnightly water changes as I would imagine this is not helping at all replacing the pond water which has been filtered and adding water full of ammonia. Unless someone knows a way to filter it out before it goes in the pond. I use ST crystals/solution rather than a declorinator when changing water.

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    Following the thread pal, so keep us updated on your findings. I use a 3 stage filter to declorinate and have been doing regular water changes since reading your previous thread.
    I currently have a spike in ammonia and nitrite but put this down to new pond syndrome

    Never occured to me that tap water could be high in ammonia but if it is not sure that the 3 stage is actually filtering any out. But will do some tests when i'm off this week

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    So having drained the pond and checked it over the only thing I can see is this which was the previously mentioned spot on the base which was covered by CT1 although I gave it a little rub and the CT1 came up with the bit of top coat that was sticky originally. This is about the size of the £1 coin. What would be the best thing to do to cover/seal it or will it be ok?

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    Is it worth making some solution with Virkon and wiping the inside of the pond down or would the strong PP treatment I done before emptying the pond be sufficient? I put some Virkon tablets in the filter so they went into the waste part and have left them 24 hours which as its the only place with water I will now drain out and as its the only place the muck gathers I would imagine that 4 tablets in about 100 litres should have killed off anything in there. I have back flushed the bottom drain and pumped out the water too, about to completely drain the rest of it so that will be completely empty too.

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    Can anyone advise me in regards to the bare fibreglass what to do/if it’s an issue? Waiting to hear now before making next step which would be re filling pond and getting it going again before moving fish back in asap

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    That doesn’t look like it’s got resin in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djstiles999 View Post
    That doesn’t look like it’s got resin in it?

    I am guessing they missed a spot with the flow coat and when I pulled the ct1 up that was covering the tacky part, its pulled the resin up too. The people who fibreglassed are are returning Thursday to make it all right so thats that issue solved. then its a case of washing it down and re filling.

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    Good to hear they are coming back, reputable firm obviously

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    Nice to hear you have solved the problem and it's getting sorted The battle begins.The battle begins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djstiles999 View Post
    Good to hear they are coming back, reputable firm obviously
    Yes although I don't actually know the company name, I just got given a number a while ago and they turned up they cover all over the place I believe tho. Least the fibreglass will be ruled out after this. hopefully it will be the end of the problems for now anyway...

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    Will keep everything crossed for you, think it’s been a challenging year for a lot of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Yes although I don't actually know the company name, I just got given a number a while ago and they turned up they cover all over the place I believe tho. Least the fibreglass will be ruled out after this. hopefully it will be the end of the problems for now anyway...
    Good luck mate. Result on fiber glass company.
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    Glad to hear the fibreglassers will put things right. It shouldn't take them long to fix that.

    I had a breeze Block fall in my pond after I'd finished glassing it. Ended up with a hole about the same size as that patch. I was cursing as the fibreglassing had been stressful enough, being an amateur and all.

    But the patch job only took me about an hour to do incl. Top coat.

    As the pond is drained down have you checked the bottom drain and pipe work to see if there was much gunk built up? I ask as some of your issues sounded like they could be bacterial.

    Also have you got a purge valve on your bd line? If not, it might be a good time to add one. I find I don't really have enough flow through my bd line (My drum being the main bottle neck means I can't really ramp up the flow any more) and get crap settle out. I find the only way i can keep it clear is by purging it.

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    [QUOTE=samp09;346411]Yes although I don't actually know the company name, I just got given a number a while ago and they turned up they cover all over the place I believe .......................Do they do drives as well .........





    I'm kidding .........at least they are coming back to sort it out for you, good job you found it really............

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    [QUOTE=anne;346533]
    Quote Originally Posted by samp09 View Post
    Yes although I don't actually know the company name, I just got given a number a while ago and they turned up they cover all over the place I believe .......................Do they do drives as well .........





    I'm kidding .........at least they are coming back to sort it out for you, good job you found it really............

    it definitely don't sound the best when I put it like that

    Tom the bottom drain pipe had a little algae in it but otherwise it was pretty clean, I was surprised really although my 4" bottom drain pipe goes straight into the vortex part of the filter and thats a 4" inlet which I purge several times when I do water changes. The waste I need to maybe change and just run it straight to a pump to get it out to waste as it currently goes into a water butt which I then pump to the drain however this means it has to go up a foot and I think this is where the crap don't get pushed out well from the waste on the filter this way. There was a lot in there when I gave it a deep clean not too long ago and again when I done it over the weekend so it needs a rethink for sure.

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    So planning ahead, if I am to fill the bio chamber part of my filter with dechlorinated water and add filter bugs, will this help to kick start the filter again till the ponds back full if there is no movement in the water just simply sitting there?

    Once the fibreglass is sorted is there any thing people would recommend before refilling, such as cleaning with anything?

 

 
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