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    That's my concern! I'd like to know what's in it and how it works as I've added plenty of cycling bacteria so if this is just another form of that, then I'll avoid. Does it just floccate fines to lessen organic load? Does it bind like Seachem Prime only to potentially release in 24 hours? Enquiring minds wanna know Nitrite

    It's so frustrating when there are no ingredients or functional descriptions for a product. Vitalize is the same but I'm still using it as I really feel it has helped my fish, but it irks me incessantly that I don't know how or why! Other than Vit C and Aloe Vera, it just says 'all natural'. But it also neutralises chlorine, chloramine and metals but doesn't contain ST or H202 (told this by the maker who will not reveal his secret ingredients!)... so how does it do this ... I only know it does as I tested it to make sure Nitrite!!

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    Now I am also thinking why it does not say what ingredients and how it works ��
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    I get it that makers want to keep a market advantage in a 'KFC Colonel Sanders Secret Herbs and Spices' kind of way, but I just don't like not knowing. I like to make informed decisions whenever possible and that requires data!

    Really hope someone will read this and be able to shed some light on it.

    The reviews for Envirex are numerous and excellent, but none explain how it works!


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    I've used Envirex for the past 3 weeks. I'm still getting trace nitrite, less than 0.25. I've had uv off for 3 weeks. Water is crystal clear. Fish happy.
    There's no ingredients list but it appears to be a mix of flour yes flour , yeasts and various other things, . Its a product from a water management company, like waste management.
    https://www.evoqua.com/en/brands/Envirex

    It certainly helps in my pond.
    Its unlikely to be a permanent fix like an appropriate sized mature filter for your needs.
    I think it just adds short lived nitrogen waste consuming microbes. I've never had an issue with solids but it has the nitrites low.
    See duff pics, those are non zoomed shot to the bottom, 52 inches of water. No UV for nearly 3 weeks now.
    I dont measure it as a dose. I put 200g( half pot) in then repeated that 3 days later now just sprinkle into the nexus every 2 days. Have stopped with the EA gel and bombs....sorry EA.

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    @jphamill Thanks for that insight. May I please check that you are referring to the Envirex from Lincs Fish Health? If so, does it state on the container that it is manufactured by Evoqua?

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    Looking at the price (73 quid for 2kg) I think it would need to work miracles and defo lower nitrite to zero long term
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob View Post
    Looking at the price (73 quid for 2kg) I think it would need to work miracles and defo lower nitrite to zero long term
    This is exactly why I haven't rushed to use it despite the rave reviews! It's incredibly expensive which makes me want to know way more about it than the label reveals. I'm intrigued to know if Evoqua are indeed the manufacturers for Lincs Fish Health. If so the koi tax could be the factor behind the pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koiz View Post
    This is exactly why I haven't rushed to use it despite the rave reviews! It's incredibly expensive which makes me want to know way more about it than the label reveals. I'm intrigued to know if Evoqua are indeed the manufacturers for Lincs Fish Health. If so the koi tax could be the factor behind the pricing.

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    Lol, of course there is a Koi tax ! You are too long in this hobby to not see that.

    We discuss filters that cost £1000s for fish that can cost even more. Before we even admit to running costs. But fishkeeping is our hobby.

    Re Evoaqua: I cant see it -Evirex being made by anyone else, there are too many trademarks involved.

    I agree with the concept of Colonel Sanders recipe but it appears to be working with my new pond filter.

    Yes, I'm an educated person that is dosing his costly pond with an expensive product that doesn't have a real ingredients list, that appears to be working.

    What's in this stuff ? I don't know, apart from flour and yeasts but like EA an Mr Sanders or Ronald McD, they don't say, notably though when they say you can't overdose...Well then, there's no deadly silver bullet it is there ?

    To be honest, it reminds me, (look feel, texture and smell)of a great septic tank treatment called "Eparcyl" that I met in a French supermarket 9 yrs ago, that stuff sorted out our septic tank in Ireland . I buy it regularly on amazon.fr , its " non toxic " meaning the same as what EA and evoaqua say, looks like dirty flour. Would I tip a sachet into the nexus, probably not !

    I think that when my K1 matures fully I'll relax and probably find some other way to spend money on koi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koiz View Post
    @jphamill Thanks for that insight. May I please check that you are referring to the Envirex from Lincs Fish Health? If so, does it state on the container that it is manufactured by Evoqua?

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    Anyone else using this Envirex ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jphamill View Post
    I've used Envirex for the past 3 weeks. I'm still getting trace nitrite, less than 0.25. I've had uv off for 3 weeks. Water is crystal clear. Fish happy.
    There's no ingredients list but it appears to be a mix of flour yes flour , yeasts and various other things, . Its a product from a water management company, like waste management.
    https://www.evoqua.com/en/brands/Envirex

    It certainly helps in my pond.
    Its unlikely to be a permanent fix like an appropriate sized mature filter for your needs.
    I think it just adds short lived nitrogen waste consuming microbes. I've never had an issue with solids but it has the nitrites low.
    See duff pics, those are non zoomed shot to the bottom, 52 inches of water. No UV for nearly 3 weeks now.
    I dont measure it as a dose. I put 200g( half pot) in then repeated that 3 days later now just sprinkle into the nexus every 2 days. Have stopped with the EA gel and bombs....sorry EA.

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    So what were your nitrites before using Envirex? And have you presumably now stopped water changes? If so the cost would seem entirely worth it on a pond with a maturing filter or a nitrite spike for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob View Post
    So what were your nitrites before using Envirex? And have you presumably now stopped water changes? If so the cost would seem entirely worth it on a pond with a maturing filter or a nitrite spike for whatever reason.
    I was cruising at a shade over 0.5 I thought one day it was pushing close to 1.0, I have never used salt and my water changes were nexus flushes on the auto.
    I was testing twice a day. API and NT both fresh kits, Fish never showed anything bad apart from nearly climbing out for food when you are beside the pond I've made sure the kH is high, adding aldi bicarb, 59p a pot, we are in a very soft water area. The pH is low 8s
    Currently the nexus auto is set to 2 days, ive a tiny trickle on the top up. Nitrate is fine, I like seeing it obviously.
    I test ammonia out of habit.
    See today's API test attached.


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    The EA gel and bombs are not in conjunction with envirex, they were what I was using before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jphamill View Post
    Yes.

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    May I please check - is that Yes to it being the LFH product, AND Yes to it stating on the packaging that it is made by Evoqua?!! Nitrite

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    Lol, here's someone with my level of pedantry!
    It appears to me that LFH may be the distributor.
    Unless Dr Paula Reynolds fish pathobiologist is the manufacturer and using the name Envirex.
    When I search Envirex I find its a brand of Evoaqua, an American company with a stated revenue in June of nearly $350 million.
    I just can't see a US based multinational that size let a Fish pathobiologist in the UK use their brand name without permission and not sueing for both her kidneys or worse still her koi !
    We know that it contains yeasts which are supportive in septic tank/ biodigester environments. I assume carbonates and bicarb, some sort natural flocculants, maybe alginate, I'll bet its a variant of septic tank booster powder.
    The rest is probably a mixture of the secret ingredients in kfc, McDonald's sauce and coke.Nitrite
    I think its worth an email or phonecall to see what one can learn.

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    I need to speak with Paula about some other koi health matters soon, so I will raise this with her, I just wanted to get some facts straight before putting my question to her and for that I really wanted someone to tell me exactly what it says on the actual tub of LFH Envirex. I can see photos of the front of the packaging on line, but not the back, so if you are able to post some images of the whole packaging I'd be very grateful. LFH have a whole range of products, including Reminex, Chlorex and Activex - all of which are names used by other companies for other products - nowt to do with koi keeping, so without the evidence, it could just be co-incidence that Envirex is a range of products from Evoqua that has nothing to do with LFH
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    My test today, have not done a water change for about 3 weeks now, as I said every pond is different, Envirex is expensive but it is helping me out, no spike for 3 weeks now and fish are being fed more then before.
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    Hey guys, just had a little read of the topic. I have used the EA bombs in the past and sometimes use their enzyme boost after hard times.

    I have come away from it though as I find the clumpy bomb only ends up in the RDF/filter and being washed out.

    I had a nitrite spike this year which was horrible, but solved it with this microbelift nite out 2 (pictured). The bottle I bought was small but they do a larger ones too, which will be in my stock of potions for next year and onwards. It's liquid based so won't wash out, and is 100% nature so should you need to add treatment, there won't be any problems.

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    I have nitrite reading can’t get rid of it been putting in cloverleaf absolute Biogel every week and no change just doing a water change now been on trickle in/out so if this works I will order some


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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbaines View Post
    I have nitrite reading can’t get rid of it been putting in cloverleaf absolute Biogel every week and no change just doing a water change now been on trickle in/out so if this works I will order some


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    Is your test kit definitely ok? I lean toward test kits if the parameters don't ever budge when I try all the tricks

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