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    Yes through a evolution aqua filter been just over a week now


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    The name Envirex comes up as hydrogen Peroxide animal disinfectant in my search !





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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbaines View Post
    Yes through a evolution aqua filter been just over a week now


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    Are you trickling in to the inlet of said filter? If yes, why?

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    Its going straight to the pond trickle in


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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbaines View Post
    Nothing changed thatís why I canít understand put more filter bugs in tonight turned pump off for an hour as it says on the tub running trickle in hopefully come down in morning Nitrite
    Did you turn your UV off? If not, it'll zap any good bacteria that is circulating just as it'll zap any nasties

    When I add filter bugs, I isolate the media (ie: stop the return to the pond), add the gel and let it mix for a few mins with the air on. I then leave the media sitting for about an hour, buzz it with air every quarter hour for a few mins, all the while not circulating the water (my waterblade is still going at this point so there is an element of turnover still going on in the pond), then I open all the valves up again and restart the air and pumps. The UV stays off for a couple of days to allow any good bugs that are circulating a chance to colonise the pipework and the pond. No idea if this works, but logically it should give the bugs the best possible chance of success. I was also told by Oase (when talking to them about their Biokick Premium) there is no point in putting loads in at once, far better to add a bit every day (hence why they sell theirs in 4 vials), and that it should only be added when the water is over certain temp otherwise the bugs will die... just wish I'd written down what that temp was!
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    Hi yes uv is off I turned pump off for an hour just left air pump on on nexus 220 uv wonít be switched on till the wk end


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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    The name Envirex comes up as hydrogen Peroxide animal disinfectant in my search !





    www.actwessex.co.uk/online-store/Envirex-Disinfectant-Powder-p100521308
    Kill-coi then the bag should sayNitrite

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    Quote Originally Posted by jphamill View Post
    Kill-coi then the bag should sayNitrite
    Very good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koiz View Post
    And I'm rather heading to that same conclusion now too . They have their place for helping establish the Nitrosomonas, but not so much the Nitrobacter. This is why I really want to understand how the Envirex works. If it's just a form of 'dried bacteria' then I'll give it a miss. If however, it flocculates and / or binds (without releasing) so my drum could take out the Nitrites and get those levels down quicker, and in turn reduce the Nitrates, then I can justify adding it. Do you have any idea about the action of Envirex or any experience of it?
    Ive used a huge number of different pond additives over years and so am quite familiar with the look, feel, taste and smell of the various powders, Yep I have actually tasted many of them I think itís highly likely these products are based on montmorillonite clay.

    There may be other ingredients too, I donít know. But if you look at the claims these products are making they could just as easily be on a bag of any of the montmorillonite clay products such as Refresh, Kusuri clay etc.

    They remove nasties by fluculation that then gets taken out by the mechanical filtration.

    The LFH pond detox formula literally looks like it is just the clay. There is nothing with any different texture of colour mixed in with the powder, itís quite homogenous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    Ive used a huge number of different pond additives over years and so am quite familiar with the look, feel, taste and smell of the various powders, Yep I have actually tasted many of them I think itís highly likely these products are based on montmorillonite clay.

    There may be other ingredients too, I donít know. But if you look at the claims these products are making they could just as easily be on a bag of any of the montmorillonite clay products such as Refresh, Kusuri clay etc.

    They remove nasties by fluculation that then gets taken out by the mechanical filtration.

    The LFH pond detox formula literally looks like it is just the clay. There is nothing with any different texture of colour mixed in with the powder, itís quite homogenous.
    Free medical advice to all readers...

    Look, touch and sniff but don't taste unlabelled pond products.
    Mostly harmless I'm guessing but commonly these products contain high quantities of dried but active microbes.
    No quite the same as sucking on the fish tank in flow to prime the powerfilter.

    It only takes between 10 and 100 E Coli bacteria to cause a coliform gastroenteritis which does kill some people. It is unlikely that these contain pathogenic coliforms but lots of these booster treatments are harvested from mature waste treatment systems. A bit like adding some mature K1.


    Rember this: 1 drop ( 1ml) of untreated water will commonly hold 1 million bacteria and 10 times that many viruses. Most of the bugs won't harm you one bit, I said most.

    Fish do have "tastebuds" similar to mammals in their mouths but they also have them on the outside of their body. Therefore significantly reducing their chance of a bad dose of the runs !



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    My advice is, don’t put anything in your pond you would not be prepared to put in your own mouth

    My boss and I many years ago had an issue with some excess doses of freeze dried rabbit vaccine in our fridge where someone had used the diluent vial that was supposed to go with them to reconstitute something else. We thought that maybe the diluent was just 1ml of sterile water, so we cracked one that came with one of the dog vaccines open and drank it to find out. I can tell you this- it was not water, it tasted disgusting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    My advice is, donít put anything in your pond you would not be prepared to put in your own mouth

    My boss and I many years ago had an issue with some excess doses of freeze dried rabbit vaccine in our fridge where someone had used the diluent vial that was supposed to go with them to reconstitute something else. We thought that maybe the diluent was just 1ml of sterile water, so we cracked one that came with one of the dog vaccines open and drank it to find out. I can tell you this- it was not water, it tasted disgusting
    I am still alive at the ripe old age of nearly 50 despite my misspent youth
    You'd need a pretty big mouth to fit a Chagoi in it I'm thinking.Nitrite

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    adding the salt does not lower Nitrite it just lessons the effect is has on the fish.

    I have successfully used EA pond bomb to lower Nh3 after I did a nuke treatment to wipe out parasites.
    dont know if it does anything for Nitrite but for 12 quid it may help a bit

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    Today's test and I can't believe it, nearly 4 weeks and same if not better
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    Ph 7 - 8
    Ammonia 0
    Nitrite 0
    Kh 8
    Happy days
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    Such a relief isn't it Nitrite For the last 4 days my readings have finally been zero for Ammonia and Nitrite, and Nitrates down to 40 from >80. Took just under 3 months to reach this point from the fresh start on 24th June. Pretty pleased with that. I used PDV salt to 0.06% to help buffer the fish against the Nitrites that bounced between 0.25 and 0.5, and occassinaly up to 1.0, and I've fed lighty but steadily all through with NTLabs (which results in incredibly low waste, so much so, for the first time I have no debris in corners on the bottom - yay!). Just need to do my pre-winter scrapes now to make sure everyone is in balance before the polys go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koiz View Post
    Such a relief isn't it Nitrite For the last 4 days my readings have finally been zero for Ammonia and Nitrite, and Nitrates down to 40 from >80. Took just under 3 months to reach this point from the fresh start on 24th June. Pretty pleased with that. I used PDV salt to 0.06% to help buffer the fish against the Nitrites that bounced between 0.25 and 0.5, and occassinaly up to 1.0, and I've fed lighty but steadily all through with NTLabs (which results in incredibly low waste, so much so, for the first time I have no debris in corners on the bottom - yay!). Just need to do my pre-winter scrapes now to make sure everyone is in balance before the polys go on.

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    3 months is very good. I’m nearly 2 months in and have given up on the wonder bottles of bugs lol. I seriously doubt they do anything! I’ve gone the same way salt wise and nitrite readings are generally 0.25 whatever I do. I look forwards to the day when I don’t have to starve the poor beggars! Next up heating which ain’t gonna help with nitrites but heho, most of all must not get more fish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiJack View Post
    Ph 7 - 8
    Ammonia 0
    Nitrite 0
    Kh 8
    Happy days
    Get in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Get in there.

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