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    Orfe question

    Abit of a random one why do some meds say not safe to use with orfe and tench? I had orfe years ago and they were fine if I used meds. Is it simply because it can lower the oxygen levels and orfe like a lot of oxygen?



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    I think it is to do with some fish are more sensitive than others when it comes to treatments. It's odd as Tench are said to be able to survive in a muddy puddle but Orf like more oxygenated water. It's strange that the same things have an adverse effect on fish that like totally different water conditions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    I think it is to do with some fish are more sensitive than others when it comes to treatments. It's odd as Tench are said to be able to survive in a muddy puddle but Orf like more oxygenated water. It's strange that the same things have an adverse effect on fish that like totally different water conditions
    Weird isn’t it unless it’s the copper in some treatments cuz I know that kills invertebrates maybe it’s a similar thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudeDogg1 View Post
    Weird isn’t it unless it’s the copper in some treatments cuz I know that kills invertebrates maybe it’s a similar thing
    Maybe? All I know about Orf is they are the first to suffer when the oxygen levels start to drop.

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    I had 2 for years about a foot long they are buggers for jumping

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    It is a strange situation as Tench, Koi and I'm guessing Orfe are all from the Carp family so you would have thought, what effects one effects all? I would have thought that Koi would have been more sensitive than Tench and Orfe being the most sensitive of the 3? Maybe it's something that has happened as part of the breeding process trying to get different varieties of Koi?

    Then again KHV only effects Koi doesn't it?

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    I was thinking about getting a couple more but I don’t think I’ll bother now

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudeDogg1 View Post
    I was thinking about getting a couple more but I don’t think I’ll bother now
    Well if you like them go for it. It's your pond at the end of the day. Just have to be careful with treating the pond.

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    I keep Orfe in a separate pond. Heavily planted and very deep (2 metres). I don't do much - they fend for themselves.

    Likewise green tench, gudgeon, a few Rudd and a lot of sticklebacks in a biggish wildlife pond. I just let them get on with it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    It is a strange situation as Tench, Koi and I'm guessing Orfe are all from the Carp family so you would have thought, what effects one effects all? I would have thought that Koi would have been more sensitive than Tench and Orfe being the most sensitive of the 3? Maybe it's something that has happened as part of the breeding process trying to get different varieties of Koi?

    Then again KHV only effects Koi doesn't it?
    Orfe are from the European river fish the Ide so they are not carp. I think Oxygen levels will be the answer on medication as when Orfe are not happy they jump like kangaroos. They even decide if the pond they are in is no longer big enough, if not they leave. They also get huge some internet searching pulled up a surprise for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJB View Post
    I keep Orfe in a separate pond. Heavily planted and very deep (2 metres). I don't do much - they fend for themselves.

    Likewise green tench, gudgeon, a few Rudd and a lot of sticklebacks in a biggish wildlife pond. I just let them get on with it as well.
    I have Sticklebacks in my Veg filter they are great fun to watch and they eat all the Mozzies and black fly larve.

    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andymadd View Post
    Orfe are from the European river fish the Ide so they are not carp. I think Oxygen levels will be the answer on medication as when Orfe are not happy they jump like kangaroos. They even decide if the pond they are in is no longer big enough, if not they leave. They also get huge some internet searching pulled up a surprise for me.

    Andy
    Yes when I was googling earlier one site said 1.3m Orfe question

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    I think its to do with their skin, not 100% though.

    Sturgeon have the same issue with treatments, and like Orfe they are very oxygen sensitive.
    I don`t believe that is an issue for Tench though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipleyRich View Post
    I think its to do with their skin, not 100% though.

    Sturgeon have the same issue with treatments, and like Orfe they are very oxygen sensitive.
    I don`t believe that is an issue for Tench though.
    I think it was Rudd rather than tench I was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andymadd View Post
    Orfe are from the European river fish the Ide so they are not carp. I think Oxygen levels will be the answer on medication as when Orfe are not happy they jump like kangaroos. They even decide if the pond they are in is no longer big enough, if not they leave. They also get huge some internet searching pulled up a surprise for me.

    Andy
    Thanks Andy, that's why I put a question mark after Orfe as I knew the other 2 were related

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andymadd View Post
    I have Sticklebacks in my Veg filter they are great fun to watch and they eat all the Mozzies and black fly larve.

    Andy
    Looks like it's time to reinstate my veggie filter then

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipleyRich View Post
    I think its to do with their skin, not 100% though.

    Sturgeon have the same issue with treatments, and like Orfe they are very oxygen sensitive.
    I don`t believe that is an issue for Tench though.
    That's what I understand about Tench, they can live in lower oxygenated water than other fish

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