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    Fish type identification.

    Can someone help me identify what my new koi are? Picked them up in a tosai event at cutttlebrook

    I am mostly interested in the black and white one as I thought it was a shiro utsuri but it has developed some orange on the pecs and on the side of the gill plate.. cannot photograph it clearly.

    The other 2 orange and white ones I am also unsure of I was thinking maybe Sakura orgon or kikusui

    I believe 1 is a beni kikokuryu seems to just have beni on head (maybe Tancho?)

    And 1 Tancho




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    If the black and white one was completely black and white and then the orange came through it could well still be a Shiro Utsuri.

    I have seen a lot of Shiro's where orange specs come through as they age, especially around the base of the pecs.

    If the orange was there before the black then it could be from a Showa spawning but lacking enough red to make it a Showa. A lot of Shiro Utsuri come from Showa Spawnings, and I have one myself....The top one in this pic which does have a flash of orange on the left side (just above left pec) which I hope will get covered up with Sumi:





    This could all be wrong and your fish isn't a Shiro after all as I'm still a novice at the Koi game. Also it looks like there might be a lot more Sumi to come through.

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    Thanks rs, looking forward to seeing them grow..

    Any ideas on the others?


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    Fish type identification.

    Fish are growing well Fish type identification.

    Still donít know exactly what they are


    https://youtu.be/plrblHCEl5c

    Not sure what happened with the video quality.. sorry

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    Looking well Mike and very lively.
    John

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    Looking good mate.... You'll think back to that video when they're shovelling in 10 of those pellets in a single gulp by the end of summer!

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    Fish type identification.

    Thanks John Fish type identification.

    Ha yeah RS! I always chuck in a large pellet that they canít fit in their mouths. Found it seems to help them be more confident at the surface.. Fish type identification.


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    Nice one mike looking good mate. They look lively and healthy mate

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    Fish type identification.

    Hi guys..

    Some advise please.
    If you look back to my original photo on here you will see there are 5 fish.

    4 of the are thriving. The Shiro utsuri looked a little bit thin in the tail end in the photo. He has never been as active as the others and he has been isolating himself and not eating clamped up. He has not grown at all in 6 weeks and now is thinner and more tapered with faded colour. Seems only one Gill is working. Could it be a defective koi?

    Iím not sure what the best thing is for the fish?



    Parameters are pretty perfect, and the other 4 are very happy and active.

    I will try to share a video

    https://youtu.be/A04VClgYZus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeh83 View Post
    Hi guys..

    Some advise please.
    If you look back to my original photo on here you will see there are 5 fish.

    4 of the are thriving. The Shiro utsuri looked a little bit thin in the tail end in the photo. He has never been as active as the others and he has been isolating himself and not eating clamped up. He has not grown at all in 6 weeks and now is thinner and more tapered with faded colour. Seems only one Gill is working. Could it be a defective koi?

    I’m not sure what the best thing is for the fish?



    Parameters are pretty perfect, and the other 4 are very happy and active.

    I will try to share a video

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    not looking great mate unfortunately, why don't you send a picture and speak to Cuttlebrook as it looks defective to me and see what they say, they might take it back ??

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    Don't want to jump to conclusions but will make the suggestion only because my Tosai displayed similar symptoms.....if it is parasite/disease free, it might worth checking its behaviour against the symptoms of sleeping sickness.

    But definitely worth a chat with the Dealer to see if they've experienced any problems with Koi from the same vat, and if they haven't, again that could point towards sleeping sickness following the move from their tank to yours.

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    Hi Rs thanks for the suggestion.

    I believe I did suffer from sleeping koi (Carp Edema Virus (CEV)) virus back in November when I added 2 Japanese Tosai to a uk only koi (cuttle Brooke) I donít know if you remember I had quiet a few losses Fish type identification.

    I know others did not think it was the cause but after a lot of reading it all added up. Unfortunately it was too late to treat and I was not in a position to treat. Heating my pony to 27c in November as not possible for me.

    What I have learnt from this is do not add new young koi in the winter! That was a big rookie mistake that I will learn from.

    Iím not sure if this is the problem now though as there is no sleeping symptoms as I had experienced before. As seen below.



    Iím wondering if this is just a reject koi.. itís not uncommon.

    Here is a great article on sleeping fish

    https://www.pondtrademag.com/languag...eping-disease/

    Appreciate your thoughts rs.. I am in the process of raising the temp in the grow on. Currently at 23c so I may try adding some salt to see if this helps.





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    I had a koi that I'd had for years that suddenly started doing that just before winter kicked in. I got in touch with Lee burrows and after following his advice the Alfred the fish got better and never lay on his side again

    hope that helps

    Jim

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    I had a koi that I'd had for years that suddenly started doing that just before winter kicked in. I got in touch with Lee burrows and after following his advice the Alfred the fish got better and never lay on his side again

    hope that helps

    Jim
    Thanks for sharing that Jim.. are you able to to share what the advise was and what Lee had suggested was the cause?


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