Welcome to Koi Forum. Is this your first visit? Register
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 38

Thread: Epic filter

  1. #1
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion john1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    N.Wales.
    Posts
    5,075
    Thanks / Likes
    8110

    Epic filter

    Been watching Peter Waddingtons (waddy) new you tubes,very interesting with his new filter.
    Would put a link up but dont know how so you will have to find them your self.
    For those that dont know Peter is a very long established koi keeper/ dealer who has written books and loads of articles he is based in the N.W.


    John

  2. Thanks RS2OOO, Ajm, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  3. #2
    Senior Member Rank = Mature Champion RS2OOO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Location
    South East
    Posts
    2,434
    Thanks / Likes
    5418
    I've seen these videos John and find myself with more questions than answers by the end of them.

    Also read a lot on his website in general and am not always convinced about what I've read, but I'm just a mere hobbyist and this guy has been heavily involved in the Koi scene for many years so he must know his stuff.

    As a box filter its certainly prettier and more compact than an open top multibay, but its double or even triple the price.

    I hate knocking people who have worked so hard to achieve something in a niche market that often lacks proper R&D and investment, but I personally think this is 10-15 years too late.

  4. Thanks Ajm, john1, RudeDogg1, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  5. #3
    Senior Member Rank = Mature Champion RS2OOO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Location
    South East
    Posts
    2,434
    Thanks / Likes
    5418
    I also think that empty half of the box should contain some sort of bio chamber that is additional to the matting.

    Imagine if the first half of the chamber was a drum of some design, and the 2nd half of the chamber was an anoxic bio section of some design, now that would be innovative and I'd pay good money for it.

  6. Thanks Ajm, john1, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  7. #4
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion john1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    N.Wales.
    Posts
    5,075
    Thanks / Likes
    8110
    Agree with you Rs, but I find the guy so interesting and believe if he says it works so well but like you say going back in time.
    John

  8. Thanks freddyboy, RS2OOO, Ajm Thanked / Liked this Post
  9. #5
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Yonsai RudeDogg1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    186
    Thanks / Likes
    172
    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    I've seen these videos John and find myself with more questions than answers by the end of them.

    Also read a lot on his website in general and am not always convinced about what I've read, but I'm just a mere hobbyist and this guy has been heavily involved in the Koi scene for many years so he must know his stuff.

    As a box filter its certainly prettier and more compact than an open top multibay, but its double or even triple the price.

    I hate knocking people who have worked so hard to achieve something in a niche market that often lacks proper R&D and investment, but I personally think this is 10-15 years too late.
    Exactly what I thought itís old tech

  10. Thanks RS2OOO, Ajm, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  11. #6
    If youíre after something like this just get an evolve.
    Itís an ďEric/EpicĒ with a drum in front .
    Pete is great but heís mad as a box of frogs lol


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  12. Thanks Ajm, RS2OOO Thanked / Liked this Post
  13. #7
    Little tip for you if you watch waddy on youtube. Change the playback speed to 1.25 thank me later.

  14. Thanks Rays Pond, john1, Ajm, RS2OOO, bigcarpchaser, freddyboy, Maddog1, jayjt29 Thanked / Liked this Post
  15. #8
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion john1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    N.Wales.
    Posts
    5,075
    Thanks / Likes
    8110
    Quote Originally Posted by sephuk View Post
    Little tip for you if you watch waddy on youtube. Change the playback speed to 1.25 thank me later.
    Ha ha, think I know what you mean.
    John

  16. Thanks Ajm, RS2OOO, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  17. #9
    Senior Member Rank = Mature Champion RS2OOO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Location
    South East
    Posts
    2,434
    Thanks / Likes
    5418
    This video just uploaded in the last couple of hours.

    It could not be more apt for this thread:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_nOoCLI_ik



  18. Thanks Ajm, freddyboy, john1, alex1968 Thanked / Liked this Post
  19. #10
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Sansai robholmes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Sunny yorkshire.
    Posts
    105
    Thanks / Likes
    22
    I once looked at an eric filter as I was building my pond.
    I decided very much against it when I realised how rude and arrogant peter waddington and his side kick, susan campbell was when anyone mentioned a drum filter.
    Yes, waddy knows his stuff koi wise but his attitude can be very bad at times and his dog ( susan Campbell) is even worse.
    Infact, it was her who eventually put me off buying an eric filter with her continuous arguing and belittling of others just because they had drum filters.
    I believe that Peter waddington is also in facebook jail almost every month?
    What does that say about the way he is?
    As for susan Campbell.....that dog needs locking up before it starts a war.

  20. Thanks imc28 Thanked / Liked this Post
  21. #11
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Yonsai RudeDogg1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    186
    Thanks / Likes
    172
    Think it looks abit poo and whatís with the return height? Iím thinking it maybe used as an overflow when used gravity fed but havenít put any thought into how itís effected when pump fed

  22. Thanks Ajm, RS2OOO Thanked / Liked this Post
  23. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by robholmes View Post
    I once looked at an eric filter as I was building my pond.
    I decided very much against it when I realised how rude and arrogant peter waddington and his side kick, susan campbell was when anyone mentioned a drum filter.
    Yes, waddy knows his stuff koi wise but his attitude can be very bad at times and his dog ( susan Campbell) is even worse.
    Infact, it was her who eventually put me off buying an eric filter with her continuous arguing and belittling of others just because they had drum filters.
    I believe that Peter waddington is also in facebook jail almost every month?
    What does that say about the way he is?
    As for susan Campbell.....that dog needs locking up before it starts a war.
    Was that the lady who lives in France?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  24. #13
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Hassai anne's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    890
    Thanks / Likes
    2198
    [QUOTE=bigcarpchaser;311615]Was that the lady who lives in France?

    Yeah...………

  25. Thanks bigcarpchaser, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  26. #14
    I personally thought from the start that this was just a free advertising tactic from P.W. But this as proven to be a Great mistake on P.W behalf!

  27. #15
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Sansai robholmes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Sunny yorkshire.
    Posts
    105
    Thanks / Likes
    22
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    Was that the lady who lives in France?



    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    If you want to call it a lady.... yes.

  28. Thanks bigcarpchaser, Ajm Thanked / Liked this Post
  29. #16
    Ahaaa, koi mag forum resident nutter
    Proper chicken oriental one that.



    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  30. Thanks Ajm Thanked / Liked this Post
  31. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog1 View Post
    I personally thought from the start that this was just a free advertising tactic from P.W. But this as proven to be a Great mistake on P.W behalf!
    Perhaps it was a cynical ploy, by P.W., as you've described, or perhaps not (and I'm not saying you're wrong). However, 'Attribution Error' (look it up in psychology literature) teaches us to be cautious of assuming our assumptions about the motives underlying others' behaviour are accurate

    Even if it perhaps may have been a cynical ploy, it was, after all, a harmless thing to offer a free product, (I'm speaking generally, now; not aimed specifically at you) so I see no reason for any of us here, or on youtube, to twist the knife about a free product not meeting someone's expectations. Constructive criticism, yes, and hopefully someone may learn from such criticism to the betterment of the product, and thereby to the betterment of future customers of that product.

    I feel the product in question is potentially adequate as a biofilter, but rather naive in its scale and in its execution, and I concur with some other commenters (not just on this forum) that brush prefilters are woefully outdated, outmoded, and inefficient 'technology' (and they turn owners into unwilling daily-maintenance-slaves), so a sieve, mechanical K1 type filter, or (better) an RDF or EBF would be more than helpful prior to an ERIC or EPIC filter, and anyone suggesting that certainly wouldn't deserve being admonished for suggesting it. However, that then rather begs the question as to why one would spend several hundred quid on a glorified japmat chamber, when such a simple thing is EASILY buildable by even a novice DIYer, and could be legitimately swapped for an equally easily-buildable moving-bed K1/Hel-X13 filter, with money saved being put towards a much-needed RDF.

    ...so, I find the whole state of affairs rather bemusing - I KNOW PW is not a naive novice, so I am bemused at witnessing someone's video showing a (frankly) naively-scaled (as in needs to be much larger to be fit-for-purpose, both in terms of biological capacity & in terms of appropriate flow-rate) and somewhat naively-designed commercial product (as in it appears, from what I can see in said video, to offer little advance over decades-old multi-bay japmat filters. At least the older ERIC's 'endless river' concept incorporated space between the japmat layers, for free vertical flow of bubbles and free horizontal flow of water - what I see in that youtube video is both of these things being rather obstructed, so it seems like a step backwards from the ERIC, unless, perhaps, the matting cartridges have been accidentally misconfigured).

    It's all a bit of an odd situation, but, rather than twisting the knife, I simply hope PW will learn from the little avalanche of criticism and step up his game, rather than taking offence.
    Last edited by MustBeSomethingInTheWater; 05-11-2019 at 01:57 AM.

  32. Thanks john1, freddyboy, RS2OOO Thanked / Liked this Post
  33. #18
    Extreme Koi Member Rank = Supreme Champion john1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    N.Wales.
    Posts
    5,075
    Thanks / Likes
    8110
    Quote Originally Posted by MustBeSomethingInTheWater View Post
    Perhaps it was a cynical ploy, by P.W., as you've described, or perhaps not (and I'm not saying you're wrong). However, 'Attribution Error' (look it up in psychology literature) teaches us to be cautious of assuming our assumptions about the motives underlying others' behaviour are accurate

    Even if it perhaps may have been a cynical ploy, it was, after all, a harmless thing to offer a free product, (I'm speaking generally, now; not aimed specifically at you) so I see no reason for any of us here, or on youtube, to twist the knife about a free product not meeting someone's expectations. Constructive criticism, yes, and hopefully someone may learn from such criticism to the betterment of the product, and thereby to the betterment of future customers of that product.

    I feel the product in question is potentially adequate as a biofilter, but rather naive in its scale and in its execution, and I concur with some other commenters (not just on this forum) that brush prefilters are woefully outdated, outmoded, and inefficient 'technology' (and they turn owners into unwilling daily-maintenance-slaves), so a sieve, mechanical K1 type filter, or (better) an RDF or EBF would be more than helpful prior to an ERIC or EPIC filter, and anyone suggesting that certainly wouldn't deserve being admonished for suggesting it. However, that then rather begs the question as to why one would spend several hundred quid on a glorified japmat chamber, when such a simple thing is EASILY buildable by even a novice DIYer, and could be legitimately swapped for an equally easily-buildable moving-bed K1/Hel-X13 filter, with money saved being put towards a much-needed RDF.

    ...so, I find the whole state of affairs rather bemusing - I KNOW PW is not a naive novice, so I am bemused at witnessing someone's video showing a (frankly) naively-scaled (as in needs to be much larger to be fit-for-purpose, both in terms of biological capacity & in terms of appropriate flow-rate) and somewhat naively-designed commercial product (as in it appears, from what I can see in said video, to offer little advance over decades-old multi-bay japmat filters. At least the older ERIC's 'endless river' concept incorporated space between the japmat layers, for free vertical flow of bubbles and free horizontal flow of water - what I see in that youtube video is both of these things being rather obstructed, so it seems like a step backwards from the ERIC, unless, perhaps, the matting cartridges have been accidentally misconfigured).

    It's all a bit of an odd situation, but, rather than twisting the knife, I simply hope PW will learn from the little avalanche of criticism and step up his game, rather than taking offence.
    Agree with your statement entirely,I have watched nearly all his videos now and he has done quite a few this year,also James the whisper who was being completely honest with his filter which needed a few mods,think it probably would be ok for a q/t.
    John

  34. Thanks freddyboy, Ajm, RS2OOO Thanked / Liked this Post
  35. #19
    Senior Member Rank = Mature Champion RS2OOO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Location
    South East
    Posts
    2,434
    Thanks / Likes
    5418
    Quote Originally Posted by MustBeSomethingInTheWater View Post

    It's all a bit of an odd situation, but, rather than twisting the knife, I simply hope PW will learn from the little avalanche of criticism and step up his game, rather than taking offence.
    Unfortunately, before I even posted a comment on this thread, I reviewed some of P.Ws Epic related videos and only because the videos left so many questions unanswered I read the comments underneath, and I'm sorry to say that his defensive attitude in response to genuine questions were enough for me to determine that he is unlikely to learn from any form of criticism.


    Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

  36. Thanks john1, Ajm, Maddog1, freddyboy Thanked / Liked this Post
  37. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Unfortunately, before I even posted a comment on this thread, I reviewed some of P.Ws Epic related videos and only because the videos left so many questions unanswered I read the comments underneath, and I'm sorry to say that his defensive attitude in response to genuine questions were enough for me to determine that he is unlikely to learn from any form of criticism.
    I fear you may be right, but that would be a missed opportunity, on PW's part...



    I am reminded of a quote by Eric Hoffer:

    "In times of change, learners inherit the earth; while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists."

  38. Thanks RS2OOO, Manky Sanke, DavidKoi14, john1, Ajm, Maddog1, freddyboy, TEMPLAR, dave_vr6 Thanked / Liked this Post
 

 
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:49 PM. Online Koi Mag Forum
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3
Copyright © 2019 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.

vBulletin Improved By vBFoster® (Lite Version), © UltimateScheme, Ltd.