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  1. #61
    None of the above, your green water is down to your UVC if you have one in the system, you need to, depending on which one you have, check it is still working, DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE LAMP, it may need a new lamp fitting depending on how old it is.
    Filter wool is not the answer.
    Would have been so much easier if we had known the full story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doitsusanke View Post
    None of the above, your green water is down to your UVC if you have one in the system, you need to, depending on which one you have, check it is still working, DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE LAMP, it may need a new lamp fitting depending on how old it is.
    Filter wool is not the answer.
    This is interesting!!!

    There are two uv units with 6 month old bulbs inline with the evolve.....but we can’t turn the evolve on as the draco dumps the water...,so, maybe just removing the drum filter from the evolve so the water passes through the uv units. (There is one unit in the feed and one on the return).




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  5. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Doitsusanke View Post
    Would have been so much easier if we had known the full story.
    I don’t think that’s fair. How many people run a uv that is not inline with their filtration system.

    I’ve said many times that my filter is off because of the draco.


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    Appreciate other people might have said this, but to me there are only 2 possible causes, but also bear in mind parts of this thread are confusing as I think most people naturally assumed your filter is gravity fed (because that's what people expect when a drum is installed):

    1) The float switch is faulty or is adjusted to a level where, due to the excessive amount of dirt and instant drum re-blocking, never gets the chance to switch the cleaning cycle back off, i.e the water level isn't dropping enough for the float switch to stop the cleaning cycle, then the "failsafe" cut out kicks in.

    2) The pump is pumping too much for the drum to cope with in view of the amount of dirt in the water.


    I'm not familiar with this specific drum, nor a drum that is pump fed, but my initial suggestions (guesses based on limited understanding of your setup) would be as follows;

    Raise the float switch as high as it can operationally go . Yep, this will cause the drum to dump water constantly, but does the cleaning cycle now cut in and cut back out again as it should?

    If it does then it sounds like there's too much dirt being pumped into the drum for it to handle, i.e the gap between cleaning cycles has become shorter than the cleaning cycle itself, hence the failsafe cutout.

    If your pump is variable then you could try lowering the setting, or alternatively try a less powerful pump. Once the water is clean again you can go back to how you were set up previously and the drum will cope.


    My drum is gravity fed and I seem to be having a massive algae die off at the moment. Yesterday the drum was cleaning every 2 minutes! I turned the variable pump up to full speed to see what would happen, and the drum did exactly as yours is doing - Stayed on cleaning cycle for 4 minutes and then triggered the failsafe cut-out. Hence my suggestions above.

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    Me I would empty the pond like you said you was earlier in the thread. And jet wash all the algae off the pond. Reason.
    If you empty and just fill back up. It will stay as it is. To much alge.
    A real good deep clean. And do the drum as well.
    Where are your fish. If in the pond a vat is needed.
    And put new UV bulbs in.
    Then if it still does the same. You know it ain't dirty water and alge causing the problems.
    I know it is drastic. But at the end of the day. Sometimes needs must.
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    Couple of suggestions for you above Maj.

    Another one,if you can slow the pump down a bit to give the drum a chance to clean,if you cant then put a T after the first UV feed.
    When T'd put a valve and let that flow into a container with jap mat or similar to catch green water then back to pond.
    The idea being to slow down the drum flow and let the drum catch green algae.
    Presume the UV are switched on.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Couple of suggestions for you above Maj.

    Another one,if you can slow the pump down a bit to give the drum a chance to clean,if you cant then put a T after the first UV feed.
    When T'd put a valve and let that flow into a container with jap mat or similar to catch green water then back to pond.
    The idea being to slow down the drum flow and let the drum catch green algae.
    Presume the UV are switched on.
    I’m going to try and bypass the draco in the evolve and let the jap mats and uv do their job.

    Yep - uv’s are on. Just no water going through then at the moment :-(


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    Quote Originally Posted by majeric View Post
    I don’t think that’s fair. How many people run a uv that is not inline with their filtration system.

    I’ve said many times that my filter is off because of the draco.


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    I don’t think it’s fair to expect the drum to filter pea soup. As others have said, raise the float level so it’s cleaning more often and slow the flow down till it has stabilised , I really wouldn’t want to by pass and put mushy peas all the way through the system,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doitsusanke View Post
    I don’t think it’s fair to expect the drum to filter pea soup. As others have said, raise the float level so it’s cleaning more often and slow the flow down till it has stabilised , I really wouldn’t want to by pass and put mushy peas all the way through the system,
    Yes, the pea soup is a byproduct of the system failing due to various components.
    Now that the system is fixed, I’m trying to get through what to do next.

    I can’t raise the float valve as it’s at a fixed height.

    Slowing down the pump is the only option but I don’t think that can be done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by majeric View Post
    Yes, the pea soup is a byproduct of the system failing due to various components.
    Now that the system is fixed, I’m trying to get through what to do next.

    I can’t raise the float valve as it’s at a fixed height.

    Slowing down the pump is the only option but I don’t think that can be done.


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    Slight update. We dumped a lot of the water and refilled it.
    I disconnected the coupler to the drum so the water would go straight through to the jap mats.
    It’s clearing but slowly.

    There are two uvs on the system, one before the evolve and another after it.

    We are still going to have to get the pond clean properly but this is a start to getting it running properly again.




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    Quote Originally Posted by majeric View Post
    Give you an idea of the water quality at the moment....I do believe it’s just the mesh not being able to keep up with the cleaning due to the 4min time out.




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    Another update. This is where I need help please.

    This is the state of the pond now. No more pea soup.

    I reconnected the draco but it still doing the same thing, dumping loads of water. I’m at a loss now as to what to do.




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    Sorry I cant help but I must say thats a very nice pond mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Sorry I cant help but I must say thats a very nice pond mate

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    Thanks!


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    Where are you located ? it sounds as though you need somebody whos got a Draco there to actually
    watch it in the flesh' '' so to speak ''and see what is going on with it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by anne View Post
    Where are you located ? it sounds as though you need somebody whos got a Draco there to actually
    watch it in the flesh' '' so to speak ''and see what is going on with it .
    Based in Medway if anyone can help.


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    When you say dumping loads of water do you mean constantly cleaning?

    If so check the float level,just after clean the water should be just above the float.
    Pond looks a lot better maybe still a lot of crap on the bottom.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    When you say dumping loads of water do you mean constantly cleaning?

    If so check the float level,just after clean the water should be just above the float.
    Pond looks a lot better maybe still a lot of crap on the bottom.
    Yes, constantly cleaning but the cleaning cycle timeouts out as a fail safe as it runs for too long. So the water just rises in the drum then through the overflow.
    No gunk in the drum that’s stopping the water.

    The crap at the bottom is being dealt with - bought another filter with sponges to clean the water.


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    Could you take a video of what it's doing on your phone and send
    it to Tony at Draco.

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    You should take a video showing the complete setup, inlets, outlets, pipe work, how the drum behaves etc, upload to YouTube and post it.

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    Ok! Will try and do that.


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