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    The great thing about Koi and the hobby is that there is something to match our diverse tastes, for me the simplicity and elegance of a big ogon is hard to match; they do become more of a pet than a fish...and they are cheap to boot!
    Do you find your tastes have changed over the years? I was never a kohaku fan but the more I see a 70cm with snow White skin and a nice solid 3 step I am smitten. Really feeling them this year. No idea why

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_vr6 View Post
    Do you find your tastes have changed over the years? I was never a kohaku fan but the more I see a 70cm with snow White skin and a nice solid 3 step I am smitten. Really feeling them this year. No idea why

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    Yep for sure, one of the most amazing sights in Japan is seeing a tank heaving with Shiro at Omosako, individually - great fish, collectively - breath taking. I have fancied doing a shiro spawn just to get a mini black and white buzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    The great thing about Koi and the hobby is that there is something to match our diverse tastes, for me the simplicity and elegance of a big ogon is hard to match; they do become more of a pet than a fish...and they are cheap to boot!
    I don't mind the Chagoi's as they are big friendly fish, Im not so fussed on the single colour fish, but a yellow ogon would be ok

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    I suspect that an evening appreciating what a reasonable size Ogon looks like, close and personal - and they are always that ! would change your perception.

    Its not easy to explain how mind blowing it is to see a scale perfect fish is with each scale etched to perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    I suspect that an evening appreciating what a reasonable size Ogon looks like, close and personal - and they are always that ! would change your perception.

    Its not easy to explain how mind blowing it is to see a scale perfect fish is with each scale etched to perfection.
    Don't think you could convert me Dave. Plain coloured fish don't do it for me. Pattern and colour all day long. I am waiting for the perfect sanke to come along.

    Really hard to spot a good future in one. That's why I am so jealous of your Showa farm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_vr6 View Post
    Don't think you could convert me Dave. Plain coloured fish don't do it for me. Pattern and colour all day long. I am waiting for the perfect sanke to come along.

    Really hard to spot a good future in one. That's why I am so jealous of your Showa farm.

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    Your taste might change over time.

    I was the same, wanted lots of bright colours in the pond, but over time they deteriorate and you want real quality, and the most affordable way into quality is single colours or varieties like kohaku where reasonable quality can fall within budget.

    I've never been a fan of Sanke but the best koi in my pond happens to be one and even though he's a reasonably small 52cm, his presence is breathtaking at times.

    He was cheaper than my showa and my showa is barely above average.

    Thought I was quoting Tom's post when I wrote that but just realised it's you Dave and you've been keeping koi longer than me.... But maybe my reply still stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Your taste might change over time.

    I was the same, wanted lots of bright colours in the pond, but over time they deteriorate and you want real quality, and the most affordable way into quality is single colours or varieties like kohaku where reasonable quality can fall within budget.

    I've never been a fan of Sanke but the best koi in my pond happens to be one and even though he's a reasonably small 52cm, his presence is breathtaking at times.

    He was cheaper than my showa and my showa is barely above average.

    Thought I was quoting Tom's post when I wrote that but just realised it's you Dave and you've been keeping koi longer than me.... But maybe my reply still stands.

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    Its a dream that I'm hoping won't die, to many plain or similarly coloured fish don't do it for me, Kohaku's are everywhere and I'll go with one, showa's and sanke's are nice, but how do you chose one that'll develop nice and how much would they cost, you could probably pay 500 quid each for each fish, but would they develop the colouring,
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Your taste might change over time.

    I was the same, wanted lots of bright colours in the pond, but over time they deteriorate and you want real quality, and the most affordable way into quality is single colours or varieties like kohaku where reasonable quality can fall within budget.

    I've never been a fan of Sanke but the best koi in my pond happens to be one and even though he's a reasonably small 52cm, his presence is breathtaking at times.

    He was cheaper than my showa and my showa is barely above average.

    Thought I was quoting Tom's post when I wrote that but just realised it's you Dave and you've been keeping koi longer than me.... But maybe my reply still stands.

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    When I started keeping Koi Showa where my favourite. Was never into chags, ogons, Karashigoi, Benigoi etc

    Tancho tancho sanke shiro utsuri. Not into metallic or doitsu and was never into kohaku until recently.

    I have a parachina from ogata my wife loves. Does nothing for me. In all the years of keeping the Koi I haven't warmed to plain fish.

    I have however come to appreciate the scalation of a really nice chag, I can see why people love them.

    When it comes to affording the GC Showa. Breed your own as Dave has done. He just needs to find it amongst the thousands he has kicking around.

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    Two of the best three fish I have ever been lucky enough to have in the pond. Awesome creatures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    Two of the best three fish I have ever been lucky enough to have in the pond. Awesome creatures.


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    Wow. No more said. Scaling is awesome

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    Great looking fish Dave but as you have said far more accessible than a top quality sanke or Showa.

    I see the attraction and would never say no to having either in my pond. I just prefer vibrant colour and pattern.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_vr6 View Post
    Great looking fish Dave but as you have said far more accessible than a top quality sanke or Showa.

    I see the attraction and would never say no to having either in my pond. I just prefer vibrant colour and pattern.



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    I am of the type of lots of colour in the pond.
    I have seen some pond pictures where people have just the one colour fish.
    Like say red and white kohaku
    To me that's boring. Don t get me wrong
    The fish are nice. And most top quality.But it don t give the pond its self any character
    I love colour in the pond for that reason.

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    Yeah got to agree fred not a one fish man like . The ultimate pond for one would have at least 1 of every breed now that was be some it to see have to be some bloody size pond tho haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    Two of the best three fish I have ever been lucky enough to have in the pond. Awesome creatures.


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    Love the first one. they are one of many that have that dark scaley look that I like, I could also happily live with the second fish, very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    I am of the type of lots of colour in the pond.
    I have seen some pond pictures where people have just the one colour fish.
    Like say red and white kohaku
    To me that's boring. Don t get me wrong
    The fish are nice. And most top quality.But it don t give the pond its self any character
    I love colour in the pond for that reason.

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    My thoughts exactly Fred

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_vr6 View Post
    Great looking fish Dave but as you have said far more accessible than a top quality sanke or Showa.

    I see the attraction and would never say no to having either in my pond. I just prefer vibrant colour and pattern.



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    Ok no more hard sell It's great that there is diversity, wouldn't it be boring otherwise, indeed isn't that really what Koi is about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_vr6 View Post
    Do you find your tastes have changed over the years? I was never a kohaku fan but the more I see a 70cm with snow White skin and a nice solid 3 step I am smitten. Really feeling them this year. No idea why

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    Lol, I need to find a good home for just such a fish, nearer 80 than 70 though.... is that to big?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    Lol, I need to find a good home for just such a fish, nearer 80 than 70 though.... is that to big?
    I could find it the space in my pond

    I have a fish currently I've owned for over 10 years who is growing a big abdominal tumour currently, I'm going to need to put her to sleep. She will leave a bio load gap in my pond as she is approx 70cm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    Lol, I need to find a good home for just such a fish, nearer 80 than 70 though.... is that to big?
    I would need to move a few on which I have been doing recently. Weeding out the not so pretty.

    Treated myself tonight though! New kohaku couldn't help it jumbo tosai very cheap 38cm. One scale letting it down. But I bought it to do something I never really focused on and that's keeping the skin in great condition without focusing on growth.

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    New fish and no pictures come on that's not fair Haha

    Apologies I've just seen it in the other thread beautiful mate
    Johnathan

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