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    What book you on about?

    The most basic set up that will adequate for a koi pond is the following.......

    A multibay filter or nexus - you can get this at a much cheaper price second hand. Media can be thoroughly washed then soaked in PP to kill any nasties. Expect to pay anything up to £600. Media may not be included so this may be an additional cost.

    Bottom drains and 4” pipework. Unlikely you will get these used and honestly I would trust them used as there may be damage.

    Ball valves are essential and expensive around £75-200 depending where you get them from. There may be some sold used at much cheaper but you would need to strip them down and clean/check them over.

    A liner....... box weld is preferable to reduce creases that can harbour bad bacteria and muck. Again I wouldn’t buy used as it may be damaged and you don’t know what is lurking on it. Sometimes they come up for sale new when someone has ordered the wrong size.

    UV to keep water clear. They frequently come up for sale as used but you need to change the bulbs every year.

    Pumps again they come up for sale used but I would buy new for peace of mind they have a warranty still. Variable ones are probably better with electricity bill saving.

    A pond of a minimum of 1000 gallons with minimal stocking. The smaller the volume the harder it is to maintain parameters.

    Skips are not cheap a large one is anything from £190-250. How do you plan on getting rid of the soil you dig out?

    And if you want a raised pond you will need blocks, cement, sand and additives.

    Hopefully you are not on a meter so the water won’t cost a fortune.

    A test kit. Drop tests such as API, NT Labs or Colombo. These you will need from new. These are from £20-30

    A microscope and slides. Amazon often have apex practitioner microscopes for sale around £118. Slides and cover slips you can get off ebay.

    So an estimated cost to initially start up without the fish could be anywhere from £1500 to £3500.

    If you want “good quality” koi then you are looking to pay hundreds if not thousands of £s for them.
    You can get nice looking koi at more your budget range but they are unlikely to be classed as quality koi, as long as you like them though that’s what matters.

    Getting them as tosai (under 1year old) can make them more affordable but these can change so much and you may end up with a load of mutts.

    I don’t think people realise how much the initial outlay can be when going all out koi pond.


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    He’s on about the book I recommended. There’s a few on eBay,£70 OBO, it’ll still be worth that in a few years if not more.
    Maybe someone local could lend a copy or recommend some more bedtime reading cause there’s obviously not enough on here.

    I’m still unclear about what the kids paddling pool and (unsupported) IBC containers are for myself!

    OP...what do you actually want to do apart from keep show quality Koi at garden centre prices mate cause you have me baffled and I’m obviously not alone else you’d have had some more replies from people far more sensible than me


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    He’s on about the book I recommended. There’s a few on eBay,£70 OBO, it’ll still be worth that in a few years if not more.
    Maybe someone local could lend a copy or recommend some more bedtime reading cause there’s obviously not enough on here.

    I’m still unclear about what the kids paddling pool and (unsupported) IBC containers are for myself!

    OP...what do you actually want to do apart from keep show quality Koi at garden centre prices mate cause you have me baffled and I’m obviously not alone else you’d have had some more replies from people far more sensible than me


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    The thing is just to keep some koi until I move out
    I bought the IBC tank after I heard they’re good from YouTube (Source of many problems)

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    The IBCs would be ok for a couple of fluidised K1 or Hel-X media. But they need urging back in their supports or they may warp out of shape. Or a QT short term but not for a pond.


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    Uuuummmmmmmmmm.........what else can you say really people ARE trying their best to help you, and have been
    from the very beginning of your thread but you just don't seem to be getting it do you ?. Koi = Money no doubt about it.
    Goldfish all the way, but then again maybe not.

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    Ok I’ll start building up my koi setup with goldfish

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    Yeah, best to start smallllllllllll .

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    Quote Originally Posted by anne View Post
    Yeah, best to start smallllllllllll .
    Was my idea, I just said my ideas for the future asked for a few ideas on filtration so i can get building.
    I think the recycling bin used in this https://youtu.be/JWY242LxJ44 would be an ideal filter for my sized container( correct me if im wrong )
    Obviously it would have to be higher than my tank.
    These filters seemed to work the best for what I want which is clear water with beautiful fish alive and swimming
    It might get made abit smaller but you get the idea im working with here.

    early learning stages take it easy now please

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    I cant say anymore than what voodoo and others have said above really.
    I know every one of your posts is saying take it easy, early learning stages but honestly your not getting it are you? If your in the early learning stages then how can you dismiss what people are saying bud? You will only learn the very hard way with that mind set.

    A Minimum of 1000 uk gallons is required for a pond suitable for KOI CARP. Even then that is regarded as been on the very small side and i can garauntee you that unless you only keep about 4/5 koi in it they wont be any quality or size to them at all. On top of that it needs adaquate filtration weather its home made or bought.
    When alls said and done, an IBC is not and never will be an ideal pond, not for koi anyway.
    However no matter what anyone says or advises here your going to go ahead and buy some garden centre israeli koi and keep them in an ibc with a super duper youtube diy filter and then wonder why after a month the water is pea soup green and the fish are all dead or worse suffering with all kinds of problems. That exactly what we are all trying to avoid you from doing by the way.
    Sorry its harsh i know but there is some very good advice been given that you have completely dismissed and not even responded to. Theres a whole lot more to it than just getting something to hold water, plop a pump in and pump water threw some sponges.
    If a £100 book is making you wince then im sorry but theres no way keeping koi is for you. Its a wonderfull hobby but has it fair share of stress, frustration and most of all COST.


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    read every page of this


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    I love that site what a reference point it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo_15_uk View Post
    What book you on about?

    The most basic set up that will adequate for a koi pond is the following.......

    A multibay filter or nexus - you can get this at a much cheaper price second hand. Media can be thoroughly washed then soaked in PP to kill any nasties. Expect to pay anything up to £600. Media may not be included so this may be an additional cost.

    Bottom drains and 4” pipework. Unlikely you will get these used and honestly I would trust them used as there may be damage.

    Ball valves are essential and expensive around £75-200 depending where you get them from. There may be some sold used at much cheaper but you would need to strip them down and clean/check them over.

    A liner....... box weld is preferable to reduce creases that can harbour bad bacteria and muck. Again I wouldn’t buy used as it may be damaged and you don’t know what is lurking on it. Sometimes they come up for sale new when someone has ordered the wrong size.

    UV to keep water clear. They frequently come up for sale as used but you need to change the bulbs every year.

    Pumps again they come up for sale used but I would buy new for peace of mind they have a warranty still. Variable ones are probably better with electricity bill saving.

    A pond of a minimum of 1000 gallons with minimal stocking. The smaller the volume the harder it is to maintain parameters.

    Skips are not cheap a large one is anything from £190-250. How do you plan on getting rid of the soil you dig out?

    And if you want a raised pond you will need blocks, cement, sand and additives.

    Hopefully you are not on a meter so the water won’t cost a fortune.

    A test kit. Drop tests such as API, NT Labs or Colombo. These you will need from new. These are from £20-30

    A microscope and slides. Amazon often have apex practitioner microscopes for sale around £118. Slides and cover slips you can get off ebay.

    So an estimated cost to initially start up without the fish could be anywhere from £1500 to £3500.

    If you want “good quality” koi then you are looking to pay hundreds if not thousands of £s for them.
    You can get nice looking koi at more your budget range but they are unlikely to be classed as quality koi, as long as you like them though that’s what matters.

    Getting them as tosai (under 1year old) can make them more affordable but these can change so much and you may end up with a load of mutts.

    I don’t think people realise how much the initial outlay can be when going all out koi pond.


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    Thankuou this is what I wanted

    early learning stages take it easy now please

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    Still completely dismissing and ignoring the obvious. Good luck with your ibc and pipedreams of show winning koi. If it works then hats off to you but most of us know it wont, not in a million years as a permanent home for koi.
    I give up with people who clearly only listen to what they want to hear and completely disregard anything they dont like or find pretty harsh.
    Why ask questions only to do things completely the way you intended to in the first place?
    I can gaurantee you will be sat in 6 months time though thinking, shit! if only i had listened to people who knew and had already experienced/learned the hard way.
    Waste of my time even reading this thread so thats me out New here good luck in what ever it is you are trying to do bud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lee63 View Post
    Still completely dismissing and ignoring the obvious. Good luck with your ibc and pipedreams of show winning koi. If it works then hats off to you but most of us know it wont, not in a million years as a permanent home for koi.
    I give up with people who clearly only listen to what they want to hear and completely disregard anything they dont like or find pretty harsh.
    Why ask questions only to do things completely the way you intended to in the first place?
    I can gaurantee you will be sat in 6 months time though thinking, shit! if only i had listened to people who knew and had already experienced/learned the hard way.
    Waste of my time even reading this thread so thats me out New here good luck in what ever it is you are trying to do bud.


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    If you listen . My bad writing skills ha

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    to follow on what lee has wrote. to me it s a disgrace that people like you are allowed to even keep fish. REASON WELFARE OF THE FISH
    you have been told by lots of people. who are good hearted enough to help you. and you will not listen. your not worth bothering with

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    GO ON FRED..............let it all out.
    bang your head against a brick wall time me thinks.

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    I knew this thread was going to kick off when I saw the photo of the paddling pool and I thought WTF

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    This is where your all wrong in the head.
    I came here with no knowledge on keeping koi, I was gonna get a container anyway so I thought best get a filteration advice but iv been given no help on the filteration advice at all.
    You've just told me im a no good c*** who will harm the fish blah blah
    Not even you can start out by doing this or this, then giving me some time to get back to you, Yes ino i came across like I knew it all but thats just me and my computer skills.
    Gimme a dam break im just getting into fish keeping !

    early learning stages take it easy now please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    If you listen . My bad writing skills ha

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