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    Is there such a thing as too much filtration?

    Hi everyone!

    So I visited the show in Kent today, was really good seeing lots of different fish and getting a wish list together for when I finally get some water in my pond.

    My main purpose of my visit was to try to decide on a drum filter. I was settled on the Aqua Source Synergy Combi 25 but after speaking to people at the show I don't know if I should opt for a Profidrum or a Burtons drum.

    Most people I spoke to advised that future proofing my drum filter as much as possible would be a wise investment but with only 2550 gallons in my pond could I be in danger of going too overboard.

    It was also suggested to go for a separate drum and bio chamber which if I went down the route of the ProfiDrum then I am looking at close to £4000 which is a scary jump from my initial plans.

    I guess my question is can you have too much filtration and is the investment worth it? And also between the brands is there a clear winner as most of the info I have found seems to be varied.

    Its a big financial commitment to make so any help is much appreciated!



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    Chemically or biologically....what is the symptom of too much filtration? You can't have a negative quality of ammonia, nitrite, or nitrate.


    I realize economically it can mean an empty wallet.....but it does not have to.

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    I suppose I am just afraid of going too mad on the equipment and overspending when a smaller Combi unit will be plenty for my size pond.

    Most of the smaller combi units all say they cope with 3000 gallons which is more than my pond but does that really mean a well stocked pond with decent size fish or just a simple calculation on the volume of water regardless of stock level?

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    Go bigger then in a year when you look at the pond and think I couple squeeze a couple more foot each side and deeper you dont have to spend on filtration again haha

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    No chance of making the pond bigger my wife would divorce me. A second pond hidden in the shed though, now that's a different question

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    Sounds like frim only thing is would you finish your shed pond

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    Chap in the classified selling a Synergy drum with all the bits and bobs including a very good pump.
    That would run your pond with ease and with capacity to spare.


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    In "Hot 'Lanta" I simply have two Ultrasieve III units feeding a Flowfriend to the top of a shower. Skimmer circuit is an Aquadyne bead filter.

    This year we are living up to the Hot 'Lanta name. We have had lots of record setting days in the past weeks with heat over 95F. It will be that again this coming weekend for our annual koi show. At least it is indoors in an air conditioned space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    Chap in the classified selling a Synergy drum with all the bits and bobs including a very good pump.
    That would run your pond with ease and with capacity to spare.


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    Thanks for the heads up, this looks interesting. I am just working out the logistics of getting it from Yorkshire to Essex

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    That’s always the worse part, the best things are always for sale 200 miles way lol.
    Pallet courier might work, being as the drum new is best part of 2.5k it might be worth forking out some delivery costs or even hiring a van for 24 hours. Treat the Mrs to ride a ride in a transit and overnight in the local travelodge and she’ll think all her Christmas’s have come at once...plus you get an extra pair of hands to do some lifting, winner, winner, chicken dinner Is there such a thing as too much filtration?Is there such a thing as too much filtration?Is there such a thing as too much filtration?


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    I will deliver for fuel and i will treat my wife to a night in a Travelodge
    Last edited by big h; 23-09-2019 at 05:41 PM.

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    What ever you decide to purchase in 10 -20 years time that filter system will most likely be old hat, and any parts you may require to keep it running will no longer be available, I've been there and done it that's how I know so its a bit like purchasing a car they don't last forever but at least car manufacturers have to supply parts for 20years I think.

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    They’re also running billion dollar businesses so not really a fair comparison.
    I don’t believe there’s anything futureproof regarding drums but if you’re genuinely concerned about breakages and the wear on moving parts how about chucking on a secondhand nexus?
    The only mechanical bit then is an air pump and they’re repairable, sort of.


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    Quote Originally Posted by big h View Post
    I will deliver for fuel and i will treat my wife to a night in a Travelodge
    Thank you so much for the offer, you must have a very understanding wife. I have replied to your pm, apologies for the silly questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    They’re also running billion dollar businesses so not really a fair comparison.
    I don’t believe there’s anything futureproof regarding drums but if you’re genuinely concerned about breakages and the wear on moving parts how about chucking on a secondhand nexus?
    The only mechanical bit then is an air pump and they’re repairable, sort of.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    I agree that you cannot guarantee anything mechanical to last that long and anything you buy from any manufacturer is a gamble. Even very established ones have a habit of not supporting their devices after a certain time, just look at tech companies they are terrible for it!

    Drum filters certainly seem like the thing to have so a separate drum and bio I think is the way forward for me and if anything happens to the drum then I will cross that bridge when I get there.

    If they are separate then it can always be replaced without too much headache I guess and who knows what tech we will be moving on to then.

    Nothing is certain for any purchase only that it does the job at the time and that's the main concern, I just want to make as best informed choice as possible to save any upset of ripping it out two years down the line when the bug really hits and I want to upgrade.

    I have certainly learnt my lesson with that on other hobbies that's for sure!

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    Lol. I get that.
    As far as peoples issues with drum, they seem to be few and far between.
    Not a great deal to go wrong really and I think that most wearing parts would be readily available a good few years down the line. It might be reasonable to assume that parts might actually be better/more efficient also. Ie, pumps/motors.
    I’d like to think I I’d get 10 years out of my drum though maybe with the odd repair here and there.


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    Andikoi has 2 drums he got second hand and am sure they are a good age and still spot on

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    That’s always the worse part, the best things are always for sale 200 miles way lol.
    Pallet courier might work, being as the drum new is best part of 2.5k it might be worth forking out some delivery costs or even hiring a van for 24 hours. Treat the Mrs to ride a ride in a transit and overnight in the local travelodge and she’ll think all her Christmas’s have come at once...plus you get an extra pair of hands to do some lifting, winner, winner, chicken dinner Is there such a thing as too much filtration?Is there such a thing as too much filtration?Is there such a thing as too much filtration?


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    If that was me, the wife would be staying in the travelodge but I'd be sleeping in the van. No chance I'd risk my new drum getting nicked out the back!

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    I shall be driving down to Essex,unloading and then going to a Travelodge.No way am i leaving a loaded van outside a hotel

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    Fear not Jim, as this subject has brought me to tears of late, here's why. My pond is c4.5K gallons, 2/3s of which are 12-15" shallows, the remainder 30" deep. The bed in the deep section is 4-5" mature multi-grade shingle, into which I've buried 3 'Yamitsu' pre-filter drums, but with brushes inside instead of the 'JapMat'. This is lifted by a Swell 15000 pump to the top small pond, where it cascades into a two-part system comprising 'FloCore' then rising through & across 'AlfaGrog', & returns via a waterfall back to the main pond. I could go into fine detail about all of the (hidden) plumbing & valves, not to mention an almost maintenance-free inclusive Skimmer, but will conclude by stating that the water remains 100% crystal clear, has absolute zero on all testable parameters & the Koi are as happy as sandboys & have been for years. THAT's what it's all about Jim

 

 

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