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    Thanks Fred mate, much appreciated.


    I forgot to mention phosphates.

    The Phosphate readings on the pond have been up and down since purifier installation. Therefore I'm pretty sure the purifier makes no difference, directly or indirectly, to the phosphate readings.

    Obviously scientific information would tell us that anyway, but as people say, every pond is unique so I've been measuring every parameter to identify any change in trends since using purifier.

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    You have obviously spent a lot of time on research Rs well done mate,and as Fred said explained things in layman's terms.

    I am fortunate to have very good water here in N Wales and I drink a lot straight from the tap.
    John

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    Cheers John.

    It all started because everyone tells you how important a purifier is, but nobody tells you exactly why except for the fact they dechlorinate.

    The biggest surprise was being told by multiple places I needed an expensive filter for chloramines, but my tap water has none!

    If it was confusing for me then it must be the same for at least most people, so I set about getting a basic understanding.

    You can pay £60 for a sediment filter from koi places that guarantee to remove at least 95% of sediment, yet standard ones that remove 80-95% are as little as a quid each in bulk.... Is it really worth paying the extra? That's the kind of discoveries I've made and started to understand.

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    Cheers rs for taking the time to help us thickos out Haha

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    Careful RS if the Koi places find out you are saying to buy from cheaper places you may wake up one day with a goldfishes head on your pillow where you have had a visit from the Koi Mafia

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    RS2000,

    We had a new kitchen installed around 18 years ago, to go with it we had a posh sink which of course had to come with a posh tap. For health reasons my wife normally only drinks bottled water so we decided our posh tap should have a water filter as well. They were not common at the time so there was a premium to pay for a Franke three tap system one of which had a filter. However my wife's consumption of bottled water and the associated costs dropped to almost zero, she bought a re-usable bottle which she fills up and carries round in her (voluminous) handbag. She now also buys some Robinsons concentrate that she can squirt in when she feels like it. Water from the filtered tap is used whenever we have a dinner party or just want to fill up a jug for drinking. Over the years this has actually saved us a fortune, never mind the carbon footprint created when we import water from the likes of the Alps.

    We are in Scotland and the water has always tended to be good in our area but the difference in taste between straight tap water and filtered is still noticable. You can run the tap for a minute to let the water go cold rather than warming it up sitting in a plastic filter on a bunker. In Scotland we have started to get adverts on the TV encouraging people to drink tap water (which is free) rather than buy it.

    I would encourage anyone to install a water filter in their household drinking water and use that instead of purchased bottled water or even fizzy drinks.

    Kenny

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    Agree with you Kenny.

    But rather than fork out for a branded "Britta" filter or such like which are pricey and cost £40 in replacement cartridges every 3 Months, your cheapo 3 pod purifier does a better job (depending on cartridges chosen) with significantly lower purchase and running costs. Of course if your plumbing falls in the right location you can also T-off the same purifier to your pond but a jumbo big blue will take up most of your under sink cupboard space.

    I'm probably going to buy a smaller one for the Kitchen.

    Also, breaking down our new Kitchen quote, the 3 way tap is just short of £400 .
    Same tap on internet £135


    I took the liberty of asking a couple of mods if this thread could be a sticky to help newbies considering these products, but got no reply so I assume they might not think the content is worthy.
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    If anyone is after a cheapo water filter for the pond, I’ve stumbled across this, bargain price with no koi tax, no delivery costs, considering a set of filters cost upwards of £20 to have a set included. Been using one of these for a few years, was getting them delivered from Germany for less than £60 when they are in stock.
    I’ve seen the same on a well known koi site for over three times the price than the one below.

    https://www.finerfilters.co.uk/finer...p-gac-cto.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Careful RS if the Koi places find out you are saying to buy from cheaper places you may wake up one day with a goldfishes head on your pillow where you have had a visit from the Koi Mafia
    Haha Brill. I like that haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Agree with you Kenny.

    But rather than fork out for a branded "Britta" filter or such like which are pricey and cost £40 in replacement cartridges every 3 Months, your cheapo 3 pod purifier does a better job (depending on cartridges chosen) with significantly lower purchase and running costs. Of course if your plumbing falls in the right location you can also T-off the same purifier to your pond but a jumbo big blue will take up most of your under sink cupboard space.

    I'm probably going to buy a smaller one for the Kitchen.

    Also, breaking down our new Kitchen quote, the 3 way tap is just short of £400 .
    Same tap on internet £135


    I took the liberty of asking a couple of mods if this thread could be a sticky to help newbies considering these products, but got no reply so I assume they might not think the content is worthy.
    Instead of taps we bought a range master
    Fridge freezer. Plumbed that into the mains
    And flltered. And that's all I drink from.
    And a red light comes on. To tell you when to change the filter.
    That's all I drink from. With ice of course
    Fred


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    Been looking at one of those fridges myself fred.all i drink is water out the fridge but i use an asda filter jug.cant afford brita lol.i didnt realise those plumbed fridges had a an alchohol pipe aswel.where do you put the whiskey keg lol....andi

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    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    Been looking at one of those fridges myself fred.all i drink is water out the fridge but i use an asda filter jug.cant afford brita lol.i didnt realise those plumbed fridges had a an alchohol pipe aswel.where do you put the whiskey keg lol....andi
    That's it am sold where do I get them from haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    Been looking at one of those fridges myself fred.all i drink is water out the fridge but i use an asda filter jug.cant afford brita lol.i didnt realise those plumbed fridges had a an alchohol pipe aswel.where do you put the whiskey keg lol....andi
    there brilliant andi got the range master cooker to match. best thing we bought them fridges. comes with the whisky haha. I wish

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Agree with you Kenny.

    But rather than fork out for a branded "Britta" filter or such like which are pricey and cost £40 in replacement cartridges every 3 Months, your cheapo 3 pod purifier does a better job (depending on cartridges chosen) with significantly lower purchase and running costs. Of course if your plumbing falls in the right location you can also T-off the same purifier to your pond but a jumbo big blue will take up most of your under sink cupboard space.

    I'm probably going to buy a smaller one for the Kitchen.

    Also, breaking down our new Kitchen quote, the 3 way tap is just short of £400 .
    Same tap on internet £135


    I took the liberty of asking a couple of mods if this thread could be a sticky to help newbies considering these products, but got no reply so I assume they might not think the content is worthy.
    RS2000,

    Yep my 3 way Franke tap was £400 all those years ago which was heftier then and they were not as available as today. We also change our cartridge once every 6 months. The main point is it was still costing in if you drink water, and my wife and I do, possibly a hangover from the great water quality we get in the most of Scotland and being poor when we were young. However looking to replace the existing cartridge holder with a newer 3 pod system. One point though, my existing system only has one ceramic cartridge and is only one pod which fits ever so neatly under the sink so there is a cost vs space argument. The 3 pod versions are a bit bulkier. I have even been looking at a "whole house" system with a bigger throughput, like a number of 3 pods in parallel, or an RO system but we are just adding in cost. Looking at some of the "whole house" sytems on the interweb lets me see that I need a shed sized structure to put it in! Maybe just stick to drinking water and pond then!

    Kenny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doitsusanke View Post
    If anyone is after a cheapo water filter for the pond, I’ve stumbled across this, bargain price with no koi tax, no delivery costs, considering a set of filters cost upwards of £20 to have a set included. Been using one of these for a few years, was getting them delivered from Germany for less than £60 when they are in stock.
    I’ve seen the same on a well known koi site for over three times the price than the one below.

    https://www.finerfilters.co.uk/finer...p-gac-cto.html
    Cheap rubbish those finer filter canister filters. I have got the 10" standard triple version and it keeps leaking because they use crap flat rubber seals not the proper round rubber seals like the Vyair ones have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Cheap rubbish those finer filter canister filters. I have got the 10" standard triple version and it keeps leaking because they use crap flat rubber seals not the proper round rubber seals like the Vyair ones have.
    Go to Plumb Centre and buy a tray of different size seals and put thicker ones in and they will seal the units.

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    So get three new O rings for under a fiver and still a saving of £40 or more.

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    Thanks for the heads up guys

    It's just annoying that for a new filter you need to buy more seals when it shouldn't be leaking in the first place should it?

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    very informative, thanks RS and others who have commented.

    I've been checking my tap water analysis on the Severn Trent website - will Chlornomore / Chloramine be listed in the analysis results if added? They are not detailed, just chloride and free chlorine.
    I have asked ST but to be honest based on the answer I'm not convinced whoever is on the help desk understands the question.

    What about
    Tetrachloromethane is that something to worry about (only a trace present)? - having googled this I find it is better known as carbon tetra chloride!
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    Lots of very useful info thanks RS

    i've done a fair bit of reading on chloramines in particular, as my supplier severn trent doesn't list it on their water quality website, but eventually admitted they use it in a letter posted here
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...d_chemicals_in
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...w.DOC.doc.html

    my own issue was getting a chlorine reading from my brand new vyair 20" 3 pod dechlorinator using dpd4 total chlorine tests,.
    but it was completely clear with dpd 1 free chlorine tests.

    further searches including this thread here led me to conclude there isn't a simple way to remove chloramine directly from supply water.
    without utilising very expensive, short life catalytic carbon filters.
    that still don't give 100% removal...

    so is using sodium thiosulphate in the pond after the 3 pod is the only realistic alternative?

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