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    There is a German site doing the 20000 dm for around 150 I think last time I saw it really cheap think frim might have the link to it

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    Just started to get some costings togerher:-

    QK15 Drum Filter 1 £1,408.00 £1,408.00
    QK150 Bio Chamber 1 £785.00 £785.00 call jbr plastics to quote for custom chamber
    150L K1 Media 1 £155.00 £155.00 Comes as package with bio chamber
    QK Submersible Amalagam UV 1 £224.95 £224.95
    Autoforte DM vario 20,000 1 £209.00 £209.00
    Evolution Aqua Airtech 70 1 £129.95 £129.95 will 1 pump be fine for BD and bio chamber?
    Spindrifter Aerated Bottom Drain 1 £131.99 £131.99 What pipe/hose do I need for the airated part? Do I need an aerated drain, can I simply feed an airline through wastepipe and install airstone?
    Standard skimmer 1 £28.99 £28.99
    Oase waterfall 60 1 £169.99 £169.99
    Waterfall light 1 £79.99 £79.99 can get cheaper kits on amazon which im sure can be adapted to fit
    110mm waste pipe 3m length 2 £29.99 £59.98
    110mm 90 degree bend 9 £12.95 £116.55 2 from skimmer, 1 from BD, 4 from filter to bio chamber, 2 from drain - can drain be reduced to 1.5??
    110mm union valve 4 £84.95 £339.80 could reduce to 2 at a push
    filter connector fittings?
    40mm pipe 5m length 1 £18.99 £18.99
    40mm Y Tee 1 £6.19 £6.19
    40mm 90 degree 5 £1.49 £7.45
    40mm union valve 2 £13.50 £27.00
    pump connector fittings?
    Griffon solvent weld glue 1 £11.00 £11.00
    Window 1 £194.99 £194.99 Does this include the frame?
    aqua forte fix and seal 4 £12.49 £49.96 How many do I need?
    £4,154.77

    I'm sure ive missed some things off this list and still plenty of research to be done but its a start, thats quite a big chunk out of the budget I have to landscape the full garden and that doesn't include building materials.... best get some overtime in.

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  4. #43
    I find it very hard to see £800 for a plastic box with 6 inlets!
    I'm going to make my own.

  5. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by CobraKoi View Post
    I find it very hard to see £800 for a plastic box with 6 inlets!
    I'm going to make my own.
    Yeah I was shocked at that price considering the drum filter has a lot more to it and is a reasonable price

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    I don't think they are reasonable at all.
    You could buy a washing machine, dishwasher, fridge freezer and shill have change for £1400!
    Economy of scale I suppose.
    A drum filter is not a complicated bit of kit,
    It's just a contactor/timer controlled by a float switch at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobraKoi View Post
    I don't think they are reasonable at all.
    You could buy a washing machine, dishwasher, fridge freezer and shill have change for £1400!
    Economy of scale I suppose.
    A drum filter is not a complicated bit of kit,
    It's just a contactor/timer controlled by a float switch at the end of the day.
    True I suppose I considered it reasonable coz of the price of the bigger make filters lol

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  11. #47
    When you call JBR, ask them to price your pipework and K1. Jason is pretty competitive usually.
    He’ll also do any rubber fittings.

    I found Coastal Koi probably the best value for ball valves. They’re not quite EA quality but not far off to be fair.

    I’m running a 70l EA air pump on my bio chamber and that’s boiling lovely with 2 air discs things. If anything I’ll possibly bleed some air off to tone it down a tad.

    Anything Oase is massively overpriced and there’s nothing wrong with the alternative pumps you’ve selected.
    Many people are using the Jabeo ones without any hassle and they’re cheaper still.

    Window...glass from Tuffx. You don’t need a frame necessarily. Mine is sat in a rebate formed by the insulation.
    The fibreglass sits on the insulation then runs over the blockwork.
    You just stick the window into this.
    You’ll need a lintel of some kind unless you’re having an “infinity” style in which case you need to inform the glass supplier you’re only supporting the glass along three sides. That may affect the thickness you require.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    When you call JBR, ask them to price your pipework and K1. Jason is pretty competitive usually.
    He’ll also do any rubber fittings.

    I found Coastal Koi probably the best value for ball valves. They’re not quite EA quality but not far off to be fair.

    I’m running a 70l EA air pump on my bio chamber and that’s boiling lovely with 2 air discs things. If anything I’ll possibly bleed some air off to tone it down a tad.

    Anything Oase is massively overpriced and there’s nothing wrong with the alternative pumps you’ve selected.
    Many people are using the Jabeo ones without any hassle and they’re cheaper still.

    Window...glass from Tuffx. You don’t need a frame necessarily. Mine is sat in a rebate formed by the insulation.
    The fibreglass sits on the insulation then runs over the blockwork.
    You just stick the window into this.
    You’ll need a lintel of some kind unless you’re having an “infinity” style in which case you need to inform the glass supplier you’re only supporting the glass along three sides. That may affect the thickness you require.


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    Thanks for the info, a lot of sound advice there

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  15. #49
    Does your air pump supply your bottom drain aswell as the bio chamber!

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    Originally I had it supplying BD in its own (was like a jacuzzi!!!) and a hiblow 80 on the bio chamber but this proved a little too much on both. I was about to swap all three to the hiblow on it’s own before my “disaster” and keep the EA as a spare.
    I would think that the EA would do a one disc chamber and a bottom drain fine.
    FWIW I have 12mm air line to everything


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    Did you go fish shopping ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Did you go fish shopping ?

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    Yes mate, well not exactly fish shopping lol.

    I went to both North East Koi and Angel Koi to have a look at their stocks of fish, food, equipment and pond construction materials. I also asked about pond builder's and fobreglassers in the area.

    I had a long chat with each and got their views/opinions on pond design and filtration.

    Both actually recommend a Sieve followed by a bead filter. I think the main reason was down to value for money which I can't really argue with as cobraKoi said above it's a lot of money for a plastic box!

    Brian at Angel Koi also recommended that I go 5ft deep instead if 4.5.

    I will compare prices for bead vs drum then.

    I can't do anything for the next 3 weeks but hopefully the dig will start shortly after that!

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    They’d both recommend sieve and bead on the basis of good value for money?

    Sorry, I think they’re wrong and out of touch with modern methods and available tech.

    If you want “value” then there are other alternatives.




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    I told them a was going to get a nexus 320 for 1600 gal and said no good get a multibay

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    They’d both recommend sieve and bead on the basis of good value for money?

    Sorry, I think they’re wrong and out of touch with modern methods and available tech.

    If you want “value” then there are other alternatives.




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    Yeah, that's the impression I got from both, "bead does it just as good and is half the price!"

    They both seem old school been doing it this way for 30 years nothing wrong with it kinda feeling.

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    That’s an issue I have with a lot of “dealers”. Personally speaking I’ve found many to spout load of old rubbish. I don’t dispute they may know a lot about the fish however, look at all the filter changes half of them make to their own ponds. It’s always “the best filter ever blah blah” then a year later it’s something else. Sorry, but i wouldn’t trust half of them as far as I could throw them.
    You only have to read this forum to see how things have moved on even in the last five years.



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    Yeah your right there some times wish I had gone nexus should have gone with what I thought in the first place . 320 would have been over kill but that's the best bit Haha

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    When I first started planning my pond, i really wanted a nexus just because it looks very easy to clean... now I'm 90% sure I'm going for a drum.... just got to convince the wife lol she said we have a £9k budget for the while garden... so far it looks like I'm spending 6 on the pond lol

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    Get a drum . Dont have one my self but if the funds become available I'll be getting a drop in draco for the multibay. Get one from the start ill save you money in the long run of paying a bead and then swopping it out later when you jot happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    That’s an issue I have with a lot of “dealers”. Personally speaking I’ve found many to spout load of old rubbish. I don’t dispute they may know a lot about the fish however, look at all the filter changes half of them make to their own ponds. It’s always “the best filter ever blah blah” then a year later it’s something else. Sorry, but i wouldn’t trust half of them as far as I could throw them.
    You only have to read this forum to see how things have moved on even in the last five years.



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    Well said mate. Could nt have worded it better

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