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    3.5k aye that'll slow a pond build down just a little . Not as much as man flu with a qt tho e

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    3.5k aye that'll slow a pond build down just a little . Not as much as man flu with a qt tho e

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    I don't know what you can possibly mean Johnathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    I don't know what you can possibly mean Johnathan
    That's for letting Anne out of it yesterday to shout at me haha

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    I didn't let her out, she escaped lol

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    Now I can picture it! thanks

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    3.5k aye that'll slow a pond build down just a little . Not as much as man flu with a qt tho e

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    hahaha mint brill.

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    the pond is built aj,its just the stupid finishing off touches for round windows and covers for edge of cladding,oh and insulation and reflooring the inside lol, ,,andi

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    so I have dug about 60 cms dug down and will go 80cm high with sleepers . There seem to be several options on joining sleepers together
    I would like to know what is recommended

    1. Timberlock screws 250mm-
    2. Jointing plates 97x35mm
    3. 12mm Rebar with adhesive

    Having seen my previous pond come apart over the years I would like to use the best option rather than the cheapest.

    2019-04-10 18.22.54.jpg

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    I laid mine width on and screwed every layer together with 150mm screws from toolstation.then every 3 layers i used 12mm rebar cut into 1ft lengths and whacked into predrilled holes i made with auger bit also from toolstation.each full sleeper has 5 lengths in.my pond is 12 layers high.i also put longer lengths in each side of my two windows.altogether i used 1200 screws and 7 x 6m lengths of rebar.proper rebar from builders merchant not the threaded bar you can get....andi

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    Thats a lot of screws

    What spacing did you use between the screws - I was hoping to put one in every 0.4 metre, my final; pond will be 2.4 x 3.6m - so only 28 per layer - plus rebar at corners and near the glass.


    Also did u use a 12mm auger bit for 12mm rebar or slightly bigger

    Another question - Due to a massive root I may have to put my bottom drain sloping slightly upwards, perhaps 4 inches over a metre length - would this be ok?

    thanks!


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    I laid mine width on and screwed every layer together with 150mm screws from toolstation.then every 3 layers i used 12mm rebar cut into 1ft lengths and whacked into predrilled holes i made with auger bit also from toolstation.each full sleeper has 5 lengths in.my pond is 12 layers high.i also put longer lengths in each side of my two windows.altogether i used 1200 screws and 7 x 6m lengths of rebar.proper rebar from builders merchant not the threaded bar you can get....andi

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    the way i did it was 2 screws each side of a join and then another 8 equally inbetween,didnt measure just eyed the spacing up,the rebar i put 1 each side of a join and then about 1 in middle and 1 each side of that so 5 in a full sleeper,i put my screws on outer and inner top edge between these,this is so the sleeper cant raise at edges,i used this bit https://www.toolstation.com/auger-bit/p50377 and these screws https://www.toolstation.com/forgefas...d-screw/p34893 they went in lovely,,also used this https://www.toolstation.com/roughnec...?searchstr=8lb to knock the rebar in as it was a 12mm hole but the rebar has ridges so worked out about 14mm lol,tight but i know they wont come out,and these https://www.toolstation.com/rhodius-...g-discs/p13340 on my angle grinder to cut the pieces,only used 2 disks in total,one bit of advice is when cutting rebar dont do it near your hose that supplies the auto top up for pond and chickens water,as when the pieces drop off they are red hot and you get wet legs and it makes the rcd trip when you soak the cable reel supplying the angle grinder hahaha,,,andi

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    Quote Originally Posted by shumboom View Post
    so I have dug about 60 cms dug down and will go 80cm high with sleepers . There seem to be several options on joining sleepers together
    I would like to know what is recommended

    1. Timberlock screws 250mm-
    2. Jointing plates 97x35mm
    3. 12mm Rebar with adhesive

    Having seen my previous pond come apart over the years I would like to use the best option rather than the cheapest.

    2019-04-10 18.22.54.jpg
    As you still have a fair amount above ground, I would go with all 3 options.

    I bought a whole load of 16mm rebar of eBay quite cheaply.

    My Jointing plates came from here:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Railway-s...frcectupt=true

    Corner brackets here (same seller so only 1 lot of postage):

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Railway-s...frcectupt=true

    And I used 250mm Timberlok screws as per this picture:

    Red vertical lines (50cm apart) and horizontal circles (3 per corner per sleeper) = 250mm Timberloks
    Blue vertical lines = 1 metre long lengths of 16mm rebar (I only fitted 2 on each length as pond is H shaped and has extra horizontal support and also ground anchors circled green)
    Then the various brackets linked to above I just fitted randomly all over the place.

    Pond construction.jpg
    Last edited by RS2OOO; 14-04-2019 at 12:01 PM.

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    Love the graphics - many thanks.

    will use all three!

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    I dont think you need brackets.none on mine. I just staggered my joints and the rebar locks them together.i do think laying sleepers flat works better.although more expensive but my pond is 6m long and i aint worried about it going anywhere....andi

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    Flat or vertical sleepers

    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    I dont think you need brackets.none on mine. I just staggered my joints and the rebar locks them together.i do think laying sleepers flat works better.although more expensive but my pond is 6m long and i aint worried about it going anywhere....andi
    I would prefer to have flat sleepers but its literally double the cost of an already expensive habit. But overlapping must be the way to go for better structure. Looking forwards to using my angle grinder with rebar, it will be like Guy Fawkes night.

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    Mine are just new sleepers.not even hardwood.they were 15 each i think.altogether i spent about 1480 for 96 incl delivery.ive got 2 spare lol.but was so much easier to build with flat.and its my last pond and wanted to for my own piece of mind know it was solid.hence the plenty of rebar and screws haha.. andi

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    Quote Originally Posted by shumboom View Post
    I would prefer to have flat sleepers but its literally double the cost of an already expensive habit. But overlapping must be the way to go for better structure. Looking forwards to using my angle grinder with rebar, it will be like Guy Fawkes night.
    an expensive habit this last one stands me at 5.5k and still bits to do lol,i thought koi were a cheap hobby lol,,,,andi

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    Bottom drain in

    pond drain.jpg
    Hurray, the bottom drain is in. quite a task but totally worth the effort. A couple of questions on sleepers

    As I will need 1 and a half sleepers along my length what is the best way of joining them?

    also I would like some kind of waterfall return but not sure how that will look on top of sleepers. Any ideas or pictures out there ?

    Finally , can I put sleepers directly on the ground or should I put some concrete or bricks down first.


    thank,shumit

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    Quote Originally Posted by shumboom View Post


    As I will need 1 and a half sleepers along my length what is the best way of joining them?


    Finally , can I put sleepers directly on the ground or should I put some concrete or bricks down first.


    thank,shumit

    As per the diagram I posted above - Rebar through the sleepers 6-10" away from the joins, and the brackets if you want a little extra security.

    Sleepers are best placed sitting on a concrete collar - Have a search through all the sleeper build threads where there's loads of concrete collar pics, like these:

    IMG_20190216_165200.jpgMVIMG_20180225_161648.jpgIMG_20180408_133932.jpgIMG_20190224_151315.jpg

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    i put my rebar in about 3-4" from end,but id say max 6",you dont want to give the sleeper any wiggle room,its easier to screw together first then drill and pin,deffo a concrete collar,depending on how high your going will depend on thickness,,,,andi

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