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    small mud pond

    Im trying to make mud pond but i have some problems , layer of soil on the surface is not clay , thickness is about 30 cm .. if this layer is repaced by clay from the bottom will it keep the water ?
    pond is small so i would like to use every cm dimension are 4m x 2,5 m i do not know how deep will it be ..



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    Can't help with answers but really looking forward to how this works out . Keep the pictures coming

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    small mud pond

    I dug a pond in clay about ten years ago, for the most part the water level does not drop too bad. But in drought years its been close to drying out in the shallow areas. In the photo, around the island is shallowest, and even though its about 1m to 1.5m deep in the winter, in the summer some parts I can walk across to the island in my welly boots. And it never filled to the level I wanted it too, it has a natural seepage point somewhere, possibly in a seem of Kent ragstone, so the jetty I build to take into account an expected water level is too high out the water. Under the jetty even in high summer its till about 2 m.
    I am just saying because if you do not line it with imported blue clay right to the grass level, it wont fill up.
    Removing the top soil layer you have suggested may help, but the clay I can see in your pic is not great for water holding. Blue clay is what is wanted, if you can buy in some of that. But whatever you use it really needs compacting well.
    Traditionally us farmers used to put the cattle into the hole after the clay was put in and the cattle tread it in really well. But today pond diggers use a spiked roller to push and press the blue clay.
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    And looking at your hole, the other issue is the side walls collapsing. with no liner, gradually the sides will fall in until a natural slope forms. I doubt even packing clay up the sides to the top will stop it. I thought we sloped my pond sides really gently, but as it gradually filled more and more of the sides fell in until it is how you see it now.
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    Thanks, these are really good information I did not know.

    I'll have a constant flow of water in this pond , about 1000 liters in day .This would only be used for koi fry during the summer .

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    I'm going to try to replace this top layer with clay.If it fails you will know firstsmall mud pond

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    I dont see the point of risking it, why not just drop a liner in?

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    I want to try, and fry grow better in these ponds with clay

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    Could you not liner then clay to make sure it's water tight and better for the fry

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    I want to try, and fry grow better in these ponds with clay
    fair enough, im sure you can make it work

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    Im still working on this , and my back hurts

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    Looking good a like it mate

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    if its well puddled in it will work, that's how the navies got canals to hold water after all
    the slow pond build thread

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    it is raining, and the water begins to be collected at the bottom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirza View Post
    it is raining, and the water begins to be collected at the bottom
    That clay looks like it will hold water. In the first pics you put up the clay was yellowish, not the best for tanking. But it looks like you have blue clay as well.


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    It will be interesting to see it all full, In theory it should hold water provided the sun doesn't crack the surface between the water and the top in summer, looking good
    4600 Gallon Concrete Block and Fiberglass
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    I need to make it deeper, bhut now the rain falls so all the works are stopped. I will continue to upload images here as soon as the works continue.

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    Almost finshed

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    Id line and then add a 30cm clay base with gently sloping sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirza View Post
    Almost finshed
    That looks a better depth, looking good
    4600 Gallon Concrete Block and Fiberglass
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