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    Quote Originally Posted by Skoosh88 View Post
    Think I’m going to have to solvent the pipework for the spray pump . Rubber boots are struggling a bit and the first clean cycle the drum did half the pipework came flying towards me lol


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    Rubber boots are like anything else, you get what you pay for! Cheap rubber boots are exactly that - cheap rubber boots. The problem being that normal punters don't know the difference between the different brands and would rely on a person selling it to them to give them the best product and that doesn't happen. Most customers just want the cheapest! The best brands I have used have been Flexseal and Fernco, (both actually the same company, Flexseal being in the UK). What really irks me are companies selling products online as Flexseal and sending out another less expensive variety e.g. All Gain (made in Taiwan). I also like to buy local so "Made In Barnsley" feels pretty local to me.

    Any rubber boots however are not designed for high pressure (4 bar or around 60 PSI on my drum pump output) and should be avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    I think we might need a photo of your skimmer and pipework to understand what you've done. You don't mean the return pipework from the pump surely?
    Yes I do , I put in a swept tee away from the flow from the pump thinking that it would push the water coming down the skimmer line through and back into the pond creating a draw but I’ve been proved very wrong. Think the plans will be to pump it up into inlet of drum


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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy Kenny View Post
    Rubber boots are like anything else, you get what you pay for! Cheap rubber boots are exactly that - cheap rubber boots. The problem being that normal punters don't know the difference between the different brands and would rely on a person selling it to them to give them the best product and that doesn't happen. Most customers just want the cheapest! The best brands I have used have been Flexseal and Fernco, (both actually the same company, Flexseal being in the UK). What really irks me are companies selling products online as Flexseal and sending out another less expensive variety e.g. All Gain (made in Taiwan). I also like to buy local so "Made In Barnsley" feels pretty local to me.

    Any rubber boots however are not designed for high pressure (4 bar or around 60 PSI on my drum pump output) and should be avoided.

    Kenny
    They were evolution aqua rubber boots and I hadn’t fully tightened them they are holding fine now but will solvent weld when the weather is better


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skoosh88 View Post
    Hmm skimmer has back fired, instead of drawin water down it’s backwashing it...was hoping I could get away with it but will need to plumb in a pump me thinks


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    Skoosh,

    And when the pump fails? I would think about installing a completely separate run for the skimmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy Kenny View Post
    Skoosh,

    And when the pump fails? I would think about installing a completely separate run for the skimmer.

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    That’s the plan now...add a pump onto the skimmer and feed it into drum


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skoosh88 View Post
    That’s the plan now...add a pump onto the skimmer and feed it into drum


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    Skoosh,

    Surprising to think how many people think a passing water flow will create a "draw" on their lower "body of water" which will be stronger than the pull gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy Kenny View Post
    Skoosh,

    Surprising to think how many people think a passing water flow will create a "draw" on their lower "body of water" which will be stronger than the pull gravity.

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    Works in other situations obviously not this one


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    Current set up which is obviously not working



    Easy fix though, I’ll run a line through a pump up into the open tee on one off the bottom drain inlets to the drum






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    Don’t know why that last pic was upside down?


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    Ah yes, I can see why that wouldn't work. Water coming out of the pump will be at a greater pressure than the water in the skimmer pipework, so will take the path of least resistance and go there.
    You would probably get a lot more flow out of your skimmer mouth than the other branch of the return pipe because of water at depth having more pressure also.

    If the skimmer pipework is 2" or 1.5" then I would pump it somewhere, and if 3" I would gravity feed it into the drum via an additional tank connector. That's a pretty easy mod to do.

    There are lots of advantages to having the skimmer line as a separate line, such as being able to turn it off at feed times. But personally I am a lazy git and the whole point of having a drum is having something that cleans itself, so the last thing I wanted to do was have to clean out something in the skimmer mouth or a second filter. Your moves may vary!

    Pumping from skimmer to drum could work. I guess if the main pump turned off then this water would go back down the BD lines into the pond, so you shouldn't get an overflow situation. I've not seen anyone actually do that setup though. You might need to consider how you could prevent this pump running dry in the event pond level dropped unexpectedly for some reason, or the skimmer itself blocked if it's got a basket or mat in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    Ah yes, I can see why that wouldn't work. Water coming out of the pump will be at a greater pressure than the water in the skimmer pipework, so will take the path of least resistance and go there.
    You would probably get a lot more flow out of your skimmer mouth than the other branch of the return pipe because of water at depth having more pressure also.

    If the skimmer pipework is 2" or 1.5" then I would pump it somewhere, and if 3" I would gravity feed it into the drum via an additional tank connector. That's a pretty easy mod to do.

    There are lots of advantages to having the skimmer line as a separate line, such as being able to turn it off at feed times. But personally I am a lazy git and the whole point of having a drum is having something that cleans itself, so the last thing I wanted to do was have to clean out something in the skimmer mouth or a second filter. Your moves may vary!

    Pumping from skimmer to drum could work. I guess if the main pump turned off then this water would go back down the BD lines into the pond, so you shouldn't get an overflow situation. I've not seen anyone actually do that setup though. You might need to consider how you could prevent this pump running dry in the event pond level dropped unexpectedly for some reason, or the skimmer itself blocked if it's got a basket or mat in it.
    yea if main pumps fail the skimmer pump will just push the water around so overflow isn’t an issue. I could maybe fit a float cutoff switch for the pump inside the skimmer? I do have a basket in the skimmer but would take it out if it’s fed into the drum, I like the idea of only running the skimmer a couple of hours a day to clear the top and save on electricity. Only problem I can see is big leaves jamming the pump


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    Not sure if i have missed something Skoosh but cant you put the skimmer to 3 or 4ins straight to drum?
    I did this on mine this year and not hard at all and save a pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Not sure if i have missed something Skoosh but cant you put the skimmer to 3 or 4ins straight to drum?
    I did this on mine this year and not hard at all and save a pump.
    Trouble is John I have only 2 inlets to the drum which are used up by the 2 bottom drains


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    And the skimmer is 2”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skoosh88 View Post
    Trouble is John I have only 2 inlets to the drum which are used up by the 2 bottom drains


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    Get your drill out and cut an extra hole as already suggested

    If you haven't got the right size hole saw I might have one as I'm not far from you as you already know - if you do want to go that route of course

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    I've got a 51mm hole saw I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Get your drill out and cut an extra hole as already suggested

    If you haven't got the right size hole saw I might have one as I'm not far from you as you already know - if you do want to go that route of course
    Or you can even bodge it like I do and use the nearest (smaller) hole saw you have then make it bigger with one of those filing drill bits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    Or you can even bodge it like I do and use the nearest (smaller) hole saw you have then make it bigger with one of those filing drill bits
    LOL Like your thinking there but I am fairly certain I've got the correct size hole saw but I could always try a 10mm smaller one and have a few attempts and end up with a hole the same shape as the Lotus car badge after some filing lol


    Just checked and I mean the centre bit of the Lotus badge lol

    Could even do a four leaf clover shape too - could be lucky for you, you never know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feline View Post
    Or you can even bodge it like I do and use the nearest (smaller) hole saw you have then make it bigger with one of those filing drill bits
    Not seen one of those drill bits for years, do they still make or sell them now?

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    Trying to avoid drilling the drum but it may be unavoidable. Would 2” into the drum draw enough though?


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