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07-07-2018, 11:04 PM #1
Temporary pond
Can someone answer a question I have please? I’m going to put my fishies in a 12ft easy up paddling pool whilst I extend their current home. It holds about 4000l. How long do I need to give before I put the fish in once I’ve filled it up. I’ll be running the same filter from my big pond and will be draining my pond into the paddling pool too.
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08-07-2018, 06:50 AM #2
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08-07-2018, 07:35 AM #3
As Fred says, if you are using the same filter and the media is mature you can put them in straight away, check the water temperature and make sure there is no chlorine in the water and you should be fine, the parameters will take a bit of a knock back because you pond also acts as a bio mass as well as your filter, so with that out of the equation you bio will be less in the temporary pond
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2100 mm x 710 mm Infinity Window 32mm thick glass
2 x Aerated Bottom Drains and Skimmer
Filtreau HiFlow 30 Drum Filter
Bio Chamber - 140 litres K1
Bakki Shower - 30 KG Sakura Far Infrared Media
2 x 18,000 lh pumps
Heated from house boiler through a heat exchanger
Idealseal MS290
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08-07-2018, 09:00 AM #4
Hi Sez
I just did the same thing and pump the water from my pond into the holding pool and transferred the fish and then pumped the final water in.
I did this as quickly as possible as best not to leave the filter not circulating for long.
My fish seem happier in here !!
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08-07-2018, 09:33 AM #5
Thanks guys. I didn’t make myself clear however. I will be filling the pool with tap water and obviously adding dechlorinator. The pond water won’t be added until after all the fish are in as obviously they are using it. The mix will be about half new water and half pond. I’ll give it a few days to stand and acclimatise.
Also, I previously used it for the kids and used anti-algae chemicals and chlorine. This was all last year, it’s been rinsed, dried and stored in the shed over winter. If I wash it thoroughly a few times and add dechlorinator, it should be ok or would you buy a new one?
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08-07-2018, 10:47 AM #6
Bit of a tricky one as you say what it was used for before and what you have put in it to make it work as a swimming pool. It has been washed out, dried and stored for a few months or so. I am guessing it was rinsed out with normal tap water which would have had chlorine in it. Personally I would put it up rinse it out really well and then try to get a mix of pond and dechlorinated tap water in it. Test the water and make sure all the readings are correct and there is no chlorine in it and see if you can add a couple of fish at a time. Keep an eye on them and keep testing the water. The difficult thing is to get the filters feeding the new temporary pond and the existing pond at the same time until you're happy with the water quality and safety moved all the fish over.
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08-07-2018, 11:22 AM #7
When i put my fish in the holding tank for say a pond clean up.
Before i use it. I wash it out with PP.
Give it a good old rinse to get rid of all PP then fill it up with pond water.
If your not moving fish in for a few days. Put pond water in. Then top the pond back up. Add dechorinater
Then say a couple of days later top holding tank to the level up with pond water. And then top pond back up. This way your getting full pond water. Instead of half and half.
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08-07-2018, 12:03 PM #8
Once you have got the temporary pond clean and safe to top up, as it considerably smaller than your current pond, if you have a trickle in out set up, could you reroute the trickle in out to feed the temporary pond and then trickle out again? You could part fill the temporary pond with dechlorinated tap water and existing pond water? That way you won't be altering the water chemistry in the main pond or temporary pond too much too soon. Once the temporary pond is full and you're happy with the water quality etc move the fish over slowly and go from there. With your filter system can you reroute that using rubber boot fittings etc as a temporary fix for the temporary pond?
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08-07-2018, 02:10 PM #9
The temporary pond is A LOT bigger than my existing pond, hence the pond expansion. My poor fishies only have 1,500 litres at the mo, expanding to around 6000l. It’s a tough one. I’m also worried about the temperature of the water in the pool as their current pond is in the ground and the temporary pool is above ground. The pool will warm nicely in the sun but will they get too hot? I will be putting up shade for them, but this fish keeping malarkey is full of worries.
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08-07-2018, 03:59 PM #10
OK thanks I didn't see that.
If your temporary pond is fully above the ground, what about insulating it with Cellotex or Kingspan. Just make sure that when you fill it up the water's not too warm as it may take a lot longer to cool. Insulation keeps hot things hot and cold things cold just like a thermos flask.
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08-07-2018, 06:26 PM #11
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09-07-2018, 11:02 AM #12
The Cellotex or Kingspan is reusable so you could insulate your new pond with it if you like and by the time you are ready to move the insulation from the temporary pond to the new pond the temperature won't be so warm so shouldn't be an issue moving it, hopefully.
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15-07-2018, 10:08 AM #13
So, temporary pool being filled. I’ve decided to use an old pressure filter with mature k1. The fish won’t be going in for at least 3-4 days so can I skip using the dechlorinator, as in that time it would have naturally dispersed anyway? I won’t use the filter either so I won’t kill the bacteria on the k1.
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15-07-2018, 11:50 AM #14
You may have to keep the K1 in the filter moving, I was under the impression that it died if left for a long time in still water, if I was you I would get some Sodium Thiosulphate, easy to use and cheap as chips, then you can run your filter
4600 Gallon Concrete Block and Fiberglass
2100 mm x 710 mm Infinity Window 32mm thick glass
2 x Aerated Bottom Drains and Skimmer
Filtreau HiFlow 30 Drum Filter
Bio Chamber - 140 litres K1
Bakki Shower - 30 KG Sakura Far Infrared Media
2 x 18,000 lh pumps
Heated from house boiler through a heat exchanger
Idealseal MS290
My Pond Build
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22-07-2018, 06:36 PM #15
Temporary pond
Help people!
So, fish are in their temporary pond. I put them in over 3/4 days to help ease in the pressure filter I’ve set up for it. They’ve all been in for a day now and I’ve got a ammonia spike. It’s currently 1.0. I’ve done a 25% water change but I’ve run out of dechlorinator! I’m worried to say the least and not sure what to do now.
I phoned my local koi man who unfortunately isn’t available until tomorrow. He suggested a trickle in/trickle out setup but not sure how much to trickle or how to lose it coming out. I can’t let it overfill as it’s an above ground paddling pool with an air ring that floats on the top of the water, so if I fill it until it overflows I’m not sure the sides will hold.
I’ve got a tarp over most of the pool for shade too.
Any advice will be gratefully received.
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22-07-2018, 06:48 PM #16
I’ve just been looking to panic buy from amazon a Vyair 3 stage dechlorinator thingy. They also sell a 1 stage Aquahouse dechlorinator (which is cheaper). Do I really need the 3 stage?
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23-07-2018, 01:13 PM #17
If I was you I would get some Sodium Thiosulphate, you only need 15 grams per 1000 gallons, and you can get it for next to nothing, I always use it for water changes, never use my dechlorinator, its net reliable enough
I think the only useful thing on the 3 stage is the particulate filter, probably 5 micron for getting out bits or metal, grit etc out the water, rightly or wrongly I don't use one, I just use the dechlorinator for trickle fill4600 Gallon Concrete Block and Fiberglass
2100 mm x 710 mm Infinity Window 32mm thick glass
2 x Aerated Bottom Drains and Skimmer
Filtreau HiFlow 30 Drum Filter
Bio Chamber - 140 litres K1
Bakki Shower - 30 KG Sakura Far Infrared Media
2 x 18,000 lh pumps
Heated from house boiler through a heat exchanger
Idealseal MS290
My Pond Build
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23-07-2018, 01:29 PM #18
agree with roy get some ST Sodium Thiosulphate i am exactly the same with my 3 pod. do not trust them one iota. so use st
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23-07-2018, 01:35 PM #19
An iota lol I've not heard that term for a very long time Fred it must have been yonks ago lol
Every time I top up my pond I always test for chlorine and make sure I take the sample for that particular test from as close to the ball valve as possible specifically if it's still topping up at the time of testing.
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23-07-2018, 08:20 PM #20
Thanks guys. ST ordered yesterday, should be here tomorrow. Still have high ammonia readings. Have mixed mature media in the pressure filter and keeping my fingers crossed. Has anyone used ammonia remover? Any tips?
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