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  1. #81
    We are starting to think it was/is condensate, as when the sun was on the flow coat you could have fried an egg on it....that would have kept the condensation from the new slab vaporised, and then as the temp dropped over the lest few days it could have condensated back into water at least that what I am hoping.

    So we have cut a couple of hatches in the bottom and will give time to dry out, and then give the area all round the pond a real good soaking to see if the double skinned and void filled block wall are letting water in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest Way View Post
    We are starting to think it was/is condensate, as when the sun was on the flow coat you could have fried an egg on it....that would have kept the condensation from the new slab vaporised, and then as the temp dropped over the lest few days it could have condensated back into water at least that what I am hoping.

    So we have cut a couple of hatches in the bottom and will give time to dry out, and then give the area all round the pond a real good soaking to see if the double skinned and void filled block wall are letting water in.
    That's an absolute sod mate. Hope you get to the root cause. Your theory sounds plausible. Good luck.

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    Good luck with it mate. Fingers crossed for you

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    its not a huge problem if your fibreglass lifts due to water underneath, its quite a common occurrence tbh, as long as its not so much that it splits, just put some water in the pond and the weight will hold it down and prevent any disasters.

    Flo coat doesnt adhere to flo coat without sanding the entire surface and then wiping clean with acetone, best thing to do is just scour the entire surface looking for pinholes or suspect patches and if you find any, just go over them using the same method.
    Surprised your flo coat didn't set very quickly, if it took all night Id suspect you were a little cautious on the amount of catalyst you added, but It doesnt matter as long as it sets.


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    Agree with family man - this is quite normal.

    The thing to do is get the water in the pond - half full of water should be enough weight to hold it all down and drive any trapped water away.

    Problems occur when adding water is delayed and the water tries to float out the glass, causing cracking/splitting.

    Repair the bits you've cut, and get filling!!!!!!

    Looking great -
    Its a hole in the ground where I throw my money!

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    Good advice so that’s just what I did...and it’s been filling since 0930.

    This week we did the bottom skin repair, changed the 4 x KK valves to proper industrial ball valves, and fitted/connected and sealed up the 6x 54W LED pond lights, these are really bright and we are looking forward to seeing them in action other than that we are cracking on with the rainbow sandstone patio surrounding the pond and today me and the boss have started cladding the prefab concrete garage, that is the back drop to the pond, we ended up chosssing Ipe, it epically expensive but seriously strong, rot resistant timber, so should last for many many years, - 5.8 M lengths are damn heavy, we are about 1/3 of the way through the cladding and just gave up as for today as we are both knackered....but should finish it tomorrow.

    My youngest as already had a swim in the pond , and been playing on the lilo said since it was knee deep.

    No dramas to report, so far, we will keep filling until we turn in and continue in the morning, I guess it will be tomorrow evening before it’s 025E1F6D-38F9-4E4B-8F45-E0FDDFDCA248.jpg26417AC2-EA94-4459-894D-B393681DE9A4.jpg6F01D934-8419-4732-B8DE-EFDF937C9B21.jpgDFEC2AF7-4E28-4FF3-A42E-4BCC106F6D19.jpg547FCEA5-F11B-4C41-9A44-50E0FF115D62.jpgfull.
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    Thats going to look great when you finish it all. Good luck.

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    Great view from the lounge, and no fish yet.
    The next problem is stopping the kids using it as a swimming pool....I had a cheeky dip as well this afternoon :@)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandlin View Post

    Pricing - maybe thats why GRP lining is always complaining about the quality of the covers his clients put up - they simply can't afford a good cover after they pay him!
    The proven method of covering a pond ready for fibreglassing that I suggest isn't expensive and it's easily achievable. Trouble is some people think they know better than the likes of me and the technical aspects of fibreglassing they will never comprehend.

    When you've fibreglassed thousands of ponds worth millions of pounds over the years you might begin to understand what I have intimate knowledge of. Until then don't try mugging me off on a public forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    GRP probably have to offer an alternative USP to justify their “high end” prices 36000tr/8000Gal new Pond


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    I turn more jobs down than I do. I can pick and choose at my level make no mistake about that. If I ramp the price up on a job it's probably because I don' like the sound of the person making the enquiry or I get the idea they are fishing for the cheapest price.

    If AN Other fibreglass guy wants to travel the UK for £45 or£50 a square metre good luck to them. I'm no busy fool, never have been.

    As for my 'alternative USP'. Maybe that explains why I announced on my website that I am fully booked for 2018 a month ago.

    If you think you got a better deal than you would have than with me then fair enough just leave out the cheap jibes.

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    Hi Matt,
    I am sure that you are a true professional and offer you customers excellent VFM, and I can't see anyone 'mugging you off' in this thread...and certainly not me.
    Between myself, my Partners and our Builder who has done plenty of laminating/boat building work in the past, we thought we would give it a go, not just to potentially save some money, but mostly so we could say..'.we did that'.

    Our flow coat looks a bit pitchy, despite doing it at night while the temps were lower, but I'm sure it is structurally sound, we are going to let the kids have it for the next couple of weeks to play in while I finish off the rest of the work then we will drain down and consider if we should rub back and apply another top coat, but this time protect it from direct sunlight when curing- and I'm well aware that had I used a professional like yourself then I wouldn't need to consider such action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest Way View Post
    Great view from the lounge, and no fish yet.
    The next problem is stopping the kids using it as a swimming pool....I had a cheeky dip as well this afternoon :@)
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    That is looking amazing and using it as a pool will make your kids popular with the neighbours during the Summer! 36000tr/8000Gal new Pond🤪

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    Looks brilliant. Love the build. Or should i say swimming pool.
    Haha
    Love the lighting. Brill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt GRP View Post
    I turn more jobs down than I do. I can pick and choose at my level make no mistake about that. If I ramp the price up on a job it's probably because I don' like the sound of the person making the enquiry or I get the idea they are fishing for the cheapest price.

    If AN Other fibreglass guy wants to travel the UK for £45 or£50 a square metre good luck to them. I'm no busy fool, never have been.

    As for my 'alternative USP'. Maybe that explains why I announced on my website that I am fully booked for 2018 a month ago.

    If you think you got a better deal than you would have than with me then fair enough just leave out the cheap jibes.
    Don’t waste people’s time then taking the piss, just tell them you don’t want/need the job.
    How you can talk what people “sound” like just from an email must be some kind of special skill. Some people might be looking for cheap, others might be looking for value.
    Thanks for your once every 5 years contribution to the forum 36000tr/8000Gal new Pond


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    First of all- apologies to Forest Way- this is your build thread and you have indeed not been less than excellent to anyone in your thread. I don't really want to further derail your thread by adding to the argument, so am sorry for that. If you want me to split off unrelated posts then as a moderator I will.
    Fantastic build by the way. Can't wait to see it with fish in!

    However two people on this thread have in my opinion been seriously out of order, and I think Matt has every right to post on this thread in defence of his business and professional services. I am aiming the following just at members bigcarpchaser and Brandlin for avoidance of any doubt.

    On what level do you guys think it is ok to denigrate someone's business online, just because you personally cannot afford him or have chosen to go shopping for a cheaper job?

    If I was Matt I would have replied to you similarly. Is is no secret that in the construction and trades industries the best workers can pick and choose their customers. Why do a job for someone who sounds like they would be a pain to work for when you can take your pick? I am personally very glad that Matt agreed to glass my pond and feel I got value for money and a top quality finish. You, however, can pick whoever you like (if they will take the job!) or do it yourself, that's your own choice.

    The posts I am referring to are below:

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    GRP probably have to offer an alternative USP to justify their “high end” prices 36000tr/8000Gal new Pond
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcarpchaser View Post
    Yea..I had a price from them, I nearly fell off my chair!
    Bob was less than half but I had to do the celotex which took about 3 hours and cost about £140 for all the materials.
    The glassing of my pond took 2 men 6 hours or so including a lunch break.
    I had an idea of how much the materials cost and even allowing for an overnight stop at The Hilton and Lunch at The Ivy (leaving a generous tip) I was still gobsmaked.
    Still, don’t blame them for trying. Nice work if you can get it and I don’t suppose there’s one a week...or maybe there is?
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandlin View Post
    Pricing - maybe thats why GRP lining is always complaining about the quality of the covers his clients put up - they simply can't afford a good cover after they pay him!
    I'm not even going to quote the latest post on the thread since it is probably worthy of moderating (am asking other mods) and falls well below the standards of behaviour we expect on this forum. We are supposed to be here to help each other (and have a bit of fun) in a respectful manner.

  24. #96
    Fair enough Feline, apologies for derailing the thread however, I'm not about to apologise for advising people when they're in danger of being taken advantage of just because they may not know any better.
    We haven't all got more money than we know what to do with. Good luck to anyone with the financial clout to afford to pay someone £1000 for a days work but l'd estimate that 75-80% of posters are on a budget of some kind.
    Don't worry, I've self moderated the rest of my post and put myself on the naughty step.

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    Hi Feline,
    Thanks you for the kind words and certainly no apologies needed by anyone, but I did need to track back through my posts to be sure I hadn't offend someone after a late night (to many beers) post.

    I find this forum to be excellent and friendly source of info, without the 'my way or the highway' approach, and people here understand there are many varied routes to a perfectly adequate technical or aesthetic solution...more than one way to skin a cat just didn't sound appropriate ;@)
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    Nice day..innit .


    Lovely build Forest way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anne View Post
    Nice day..innit .


    Lovely build Forest way.
    Haha love it. Nice month anne.
    Have a good un.
    Impressed with the build . Looks the buisness.

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  32. #100
    Hi all, long time no post

    So nearly 5 months after breaking ground we have a few new tiddlers in the pond , what one of our local dealers calls suicide fish, but apart from a goldie getting sucked down the skimmer into the drum filter ( safely recovered) - so far so good.

    We fitted and flushed through the shower yesterday, and the flow through that is great, with that, the tangential pond returns and 3 aerated bottom drain it’s all a bit much for the little fish which are just chilling by the windows which is perfect.

    We bought a beige tower filter, to match the grey concrete garage, but then recently decided to clad it so the tower looks a bit odd so I am going to build some matching cladding around it.

    The secondary pond will be for planting and Quarantine when valved off- or at least that’s the plan.

    We are going to try and wait a few weeks before adding more (expensive) fish inc a couple of Sturgeon, but if anyone knows of a pond closure or similar near the south coast, that would be a great way to get started, as I’m not looking for show winners, but we certainly have room for a few more.








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