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18-09-2019, 08:39 PM #81
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Not sure if this will show up.
Not that straight forward loading pictures on here.
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19-09-2019, 09:24 PM #82
Thanks mate
It looks like a nice chart but when I zoom in I can’t read the writing.
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19-09-2019, 09:31 PM #83
Hi
I’ve now lost 3 fish out of 11
I scraped the most recent 2 dead fish and I’m as sure as I can be that I found Chilondella and I think there was some Costia floating around as well
I scraped 3 live fish tonight and found flukes (skin and gill) on 2 fish but no Chilondella
I treated the pond again tonight with a 3rd course of FMG 75ml of Malachite and 90ml of formaldehyde in my 12,000L pond
Is there anything else that I should do?
What is the best fluke treatment?
The more I learn the more I realise how little I knew!
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19-09-2019, 09:31 PM #84
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19-09-2019, 09:32 PM #85
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20-09-2019, 06:06 AM #86
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20-09-2019, 08:18 AM #87
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20-09-2019, 08:42 AM #88
Treat the flukes last there less likely to kill.
Might leave ulcers but won t kill as quick as chillodonella and costia.or whitspot.
Here is a chart for the future.
Red star 1st choice treatment
Green star 2nd choice
Blue star 3rd choice treatment
Black cross no real use.
When you get rid of the costia and chillodonella.
For the flukes fluke P. Or fluke solve.
Hope this helps
The chart is from Duncan Griffith's
Advanced koi diagnosis & treatments
Good book. It's a must have in this game
Fred
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20-09-2019, 09:50 AM #89
Can this chart be made a sticky ??? Good one to refer to fred cheers mate
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20-09-2019, 10:25 AM #90
Hi Fred
I’ve just given a 3rd treatment of FMG
I scraped the dead fish straight away and they were covered in Chilondella
I scraped the healthy (so far) fish last night and only found flukes
So do you think I’m on the right track?
Another fish was clamped up on the bottom this morning and not feeding
Sorry for all of the questions but this feels exactly like last year
Cheers
Gerry
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20-09-2019, 10:26 AM #91
Forgot to ask
I have some PP being delivered today, how long should I leave the pond alone before I can use it (if needed)
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20-09-2019, 11:19 AM #92
Why would you want to use the PP. When if done correctly. Your already using Number 1 treatment for costia and chillodonella.
What I can t get my head around is. Why the dead fish is still riddled with parasites.
When your on to your 3rd dose of f-m-g
That should have cleared it up.
Have you ran the treatment through the filters as well.
Are you giving the correct dose of fmg.
I.E is your volume of water correct for the right amount of treatment
is your UV switched off.
I use this and here is the dosage. It says 7 days . Before next treatment. Of fmg.
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20-09-2019, 11:24 AM #93
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20-09-2019, 11:34 AM #94
What I would do next is this.
Re scrape a couple more fish. The one that's clamped up on the bottom. For sure.
If clean of chillodonella and costia
Then I would do a 30% water change. And use fluke P. Or fluke Solve. Treat once then wait 7 days. Scrape to see if there clear.
But then treat again after 7 days to kill any fluke eggs in the pond.
Hope this helps
Fred
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20-09-2019, 11:42 AM #95
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20-09-2019, 12:21 PM #96
Hi Fred
I’ve been using Cloverleaf Malachite Answer and Cloverleaf Formaldehyde
I’ve followed the instructions exactly
My pond is 11,900 litres and I’ve been treating with 75ml of Malachite and 90ml of formaldehyde
I’ve left 7 days between treatments and done a 10% water change in between
Uv has been off for the whole treatment
I’m going to do a 30% water change st the weekend and give the filters a good clean.
I will also get some fluke-solve
Thanks for your help mate
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20-09-2019, 12:32 PM #97
Anytime mate hope the help solves the problem.
Not very nice losing fish. I know I have lost a few. In my time.
But look at the positive s that's how you learn. Then next time. You know what to do
About it.
There was a thread on here not so long back.
About a strain of fluke that resists fluke treatment.
If you have that problem give Paula Reynolds a call
Home
And go from there. I had flukes a few months ago. And got rid of them.
Just trying to help you. Not scare you.
As it's not nice
Fred
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20-09-2019, 12:49 PM #98
Hi
What's the situation with the matsuba with the poorly mouth?
You have spoken to Paula Reynolds who advised Baytril for that fish. Have you managed to get hold of any?
I appreciate that you have also found flukes and something else and that you are deeply worried about losing more fish.
Do attempt to get some baytril though. Injecting fish is daunting the first time but after that you'll know how to do it and you'll be ok.
Just contact your vet and ask the question. Normally they will want to see the animal before prescribing. Tell them that its a 50cm fish so you can't bring it to them. Ask them to evaluate from a photo. If they will not, then ask Paula if she would be willing to email the vet. She very kindly did this for me. The one vet was a bit funny and sneered "so...she isn't a qualified vet then"? To which i replied, "No. She is a specialist and has greater knowledge than vets". That shut him up lol
They will want to know the weight of the fish. So go and buy yourself a large clear plastic tub. Aldi have them for about £8.00
Then put the tub on some bathroom scales and put in enough pond water to cover the fish.
If you can, re-set the scales to 0
If not, then note the weight.
Then add the fish to the tub.
Then you know the weight.
Make sure you have enough sedation fluid for 3 or 4 injections.
Paula will probably be willing to tell you how to use the baytril if not, just ask on here.
Good luck with it all. It's obvious that you care.
And that is one of the best fluke puctures i have ever seen. What did you use to get the image from the microscope to the laptop?
One other thing....
Yes, costia can survive many things. They can even survive periods of time out of the water because they become a cyst. There are reports of costia stowing away on nets for significant lengths of time.
How clean are your filters? At some point, i advise a deep clean, removing all the media and scrubbing away any detrius. Also make sure there is nothing in your pipework.
One of the best bits of advice i got was on the old koi-mag forum. Get yourself a cheap washing up type brush and extend the handle using a length of pipe long enough to reach the bottom of your filter and give it a scrub whenever you flush etc.
Did you say you flush it weekly? I would (and do) clean the mechanical side every day. I do mine twice a day during the summer. You'd be amazed how much is in there.
Chin up mate. You'll get through this.
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20-09-2019, 01:18 PM #99
He had chillodonella costia and flukes.
Looks like the chillodonella and costia are
Done and gone. Told Gerry to scrape again
To make sure it's gone.
Then treat for flukes after a 30% water change.
Slowly but surely where winning by the looks of it.
He has just lost 3 fish. So had to get on with the treatment. Before he loses anymore.
Agree the photo of parasites is pretty good
Fred
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20-09-2019, 05:45 PM #100
I have a Bresser Microscope that I bought recently and it comes with a lead to connect to the laptop
The only problem is that it fits in place of the sight pieces so you can’t magnify more than 40x
After Freds advice I’m going to hold off on adding salt to the pond.
The Matsuba is still swimming around although not feeding
I don’t have a vet that I know but a friend of mine does and they said that there is no way that I can get hold of the Baytril so I’m not sure what to do next.
What is the best quarantine procedure when you buy new fish?
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Every day feeding container?
Good shout, I'll have a look at Takazumi :)