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28-04-2019, 06:04 PM #21
Thanks again I have ordered a bowl and a catch net so will give it a go as soon as I can hopefully arrives in time and I agree I need to up my game with the house keeping just got lazy over winter. I am looking to increase the height and volume and have got sone tel numbers today, then it will be the filter, then the pump, then the water purifier...and so it goes on :-)
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29-04-2019, 06:08 AM #22
Thats the thing paul. Where water keepers first. And fish keepers second mate.
And this koi keeping keeps on burning holes in our pockets.
You need a microscope as well mate.
That way. You treat the fish. With what you find on the slides mate.
Takes a lot of guess work away.
Fred
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29-04-2019, 06:42 AM #23
Thanks Fred any recs for microscope? I like the water keepers first sounds like a good mantra :-)
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29-04-2019, 06:56 AM #24
Lots have the apex microscope.
Myself i have the celestron micro 360.
Then i bought the celestron digital microscope imager to put on my computer.
As i find it better to use for seeing
The parasites.
When i got a new computer with win 10. It would nt pick it up. Usb.
So i downloaded free software
Microspin digital capture. And its pretty good. Better then the orignal
Sofware. Now picks it up on win 10
Hope this helps
Fred
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29-04-2019, 02:15 PM #25
Unfortunately dropsy is usually the 'end game' for a sick koi.
In most cases raised scales and 'pine coning' are because of oedema in the fish, a kind of fluid retention caused by the kidneys failing. This if often down to a bacterial infection, and so most suggested attempts at rescue treatment are aimed at treating bacterial issues.
Salt has an extra benefit because it helps stop the fish accumulating more water inside due to osmosis. Fish blood salt is around 0.9%. Raising the water up to 0.6% takes it closer to blood levels so reduces the load on the kidneys and can buy time. However the prognosis is always very poor as usually they cannot recover once things are bad enough to see the problem.
Whilst it's a very very good idea to set yourself up to do scrapes and all koi keepers should be able to do them or know a man who can, it will be unlikely to offer you any kind of a solution for this particular fish. Ideally do scrapes from at least 3 fish in the pond, particularly any that have excess mucus.
Best chance of recovery would be getting the fish into a heated salted QT (somewhere in 22-24C range, don't go by tropical fish advice on the internet). Add an antibacterial product like Chloramine T. Antibiotic injections for this fish would be the most likely thing to make a rapid difference but you need to find a local fish friendly vet to help you with that.
If there is cotton wool like fungus on the fish you can also apply malachite green topically to treat it. The fungus is just a secondary invader taking advantage of a damaged skin surface.
In terms of what has caused it, well unfortunately disturbing a layer or rotting organic matter on the pond floor and in crevices might have actually caused a bacterial issue in the water. It could also have affected water quality too. Best to keep pond maintenance work little and often to avoid this problem. But if it were me I might consider in this scenario actually treating the whole pond with Chloramine T just to make sure any ticking bacterial time bomb is suppressed while you work on gradually clearing the pond up. it is possible to have bacterial load counts done on the pond water at a lab, but few people go to those lengths to check it unless they have having regular fin rot and dropsy problems.2016 new 6000 gallon pond
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29-04-2019, 02:23 PM #26
Great post Feline.
Without more photos for a better visual, I'm starting to doubt that this fish has "Dropsy".
Could just be such a large amount of fungus that its giving the impression of Dropsy, or just causing enough swelling to slightly lift the scales. No signs of bulging eyes whatsoever in the photos .
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29-04-2019, 04:15 PM #27
Thanks feline much appreciated I am reaping the rewards for my lack of attention over the winter not a mistake I will make again. I have found someone at work who has the bits and pieces but hubby who deals with it works away and not back til weekend :-( I will just have to hope either the bits I ordered turn up soon or he survives til weekend. Long term I think I need to up my game. I think the pond is basically a wild life pond with fish in. He is still with us so far and is swimming around a bit but basically hiding under a plant :-( gonna see if I am go down the route of a bottom drain and drum filter with a bigger volume pond best get working that overtime!!
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30-04-2019, 06:18 AM #28
Got up early and he was swimming about more than he has been then went back to hiding not 100% sure but I think the pine coming has calmed some, really hard to get a picture with the bloody reflections!!
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30-04-2019, 06:37 AM #29
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30-04-2019, 07:17 AM #30
Waiting for bowl and catch sock bloody internet sales!!
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01-05-2019, 06:52 PM #31
So 72 hours since put meds in and he is swimming about more but clearly has skin probs. Pineapple has def reduced. Quarantine tank now here but no one to scrape or facilities to do it at the mo . Do we think it is worth still getting him separated, can only really warm water by putting in conservatory but will do if it may help or leave him be as things appear to be going in the right direction. Any views appreciated as always and thanks again for help so far :-)
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01-05-2019, 06:55 PM #32
Pineapple? You thinking about your tea haha
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"we are water keepers first"
Johnathan
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01-05-2019, 07:05 PM #33
It’s been a long day!!
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01-05-2019, 07:08 PM #34Freddyboy the legend
"we are water keepers first"
Johnathan
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01-05-2019, 07:11 PM #35
It’s a big koi viewing bowl...100 litres...
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01-05-2019, 07:12 PM #36
Thought conservatory may warn it gradually or off for a heater next!! Then the microscope need to work overtime!!
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01-05-2019, 07:15 PM #37
At a 100 liters I would go tank heater no problem at all . I used one in a 600 litre koi vat and worked spot on
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"we are water keepers first"
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01-05-2019, 07:16 PM #38Freddyboy the legend
"we are water keepers first"
Johnathan
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01-05-2019, 07:20 PM #39
Would I need to put some air in and do partial changes with water as no filter whilst he is in there and how long is too long in the qt thanks :-)
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01-05-2019, 07:24 PM #40
Sorry and any views on this as a microscope :-)
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pug has a very impressive veg filter on his pond, have a look at some of his his youtube videos....