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    help please

    Hi Guys, I have just uncovered my ponds after the bad weather, they have been heated at 6 degrees; I haven't seen the fish for a couple of weeks when they all looked fine. I have spotted a 6ins or so koi that looks very fat as if it is bloated, looking at it in the pond, it's scales do not look raised and it hasn't been fed since November.

    Any advice welcome! I am going to fully remove the covers and protective nets and try to catch it and hopefully post a photo later.

    Thanks in advance Rob



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    OK, I have caught him and brought him in. His scales are raised so it
    looks like dropsy! I have added salt to the water to 1/2% and was going to up it to 1% tomorrow if he is still with us. I can not see any fin or scale damage.

    Any recommendations on salt strength or other treatments? I know his prognosis is not good! Right I will go and check my other fish and the water parameters.

    Cheers Rob

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    The salt will bring the fluid out of the koi's body and give his body time to recover.
    Hopefully if the koi recovers then after a couple of month then slowly reduce the amount of salt
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    Thank you for the reply Andy. Do you think the 1/2% salt today and then 1% salt tomorrow is the way to go? I know koi will be fine in 1% salt water for a couple of months.

    Cheers Rob

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    I think it should be ok.
    Do it little by little and nothing too dramatic
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    Good luck Rob,

    As Andy says everything you are doing needs to be done slowly no big sudden increases.

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    Hi Rob,
    Andi has given you the best advice,i have had a few with dropsy in the past with no success but this doesnt mean you wont as i know a few have so i wish you luck Rob as i am sure you will do your best to save your koi,heat and salt is the way to go.
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    Thanks for the reply's guys. As yet, the water retention does not appear to have affected it's swim bladder; so hopefully the other organs have not got too much pressure on them, so there might be hope for it yet.

    Thanks Rob
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    Know what your saying Rob,scales look raised but not much pop-eye so maybe a chance,keep the salt in and a little heat if poss,good luck.
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    good luck rob. some good advice there mate. salt and heat will help. as andy john has said.

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    Right a quick update on the fish!. It is now 4 days since I caught the fish, he is in 1% salted water at 18 degrees and his swelling seems to be going down. I was thinking about raising his temperature a bit more now with an aquarium heater! what temperature would you guys recommend?

    Many thanks, Rob
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmer rob View Post
    Right a quick update on the fish!. It is now 4 days since I caught the fish, he is in 1% salted water at 18 degrees and his swelling seems to be going down. I was thinking about raising his temperature a bit more now with an aquarium heater! what temperature would you guys recommend?

    Many thanks, Rob
    When my fish have been ill. I have qt salted for 24 hours at 0.3. Then up it to 0.6 after the 24 hours. At 24c


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    Thank you, I'll up the temperature by 2 degrees a day and see how we go but so far so good! I know we have a long way to go on this one.

    Cheers Rob

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    Looks a good bit of improvement Rob,you must be doing something right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmer rob View Post
    Thank you, I'll up the temperature by 2 degrees a day and see how we go but so far so good! I know we have a long way to go on this one.

    Cheers Rob
    agree with john you must be doing it right. for the improvement . the reason for 22c and above. its own immune system is better. so better for the fish to heal its self.
    also 2 degrees a day is what i do my tank at. i dropped now 2 degrees a day. for trans-fare s. later on in April. to main pond with my grow on s and a couple that had hypothermia
    all the best with the fish
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    Hi Guys, well my koi's swelling continues to go down. So in the next few days, I was thinking of offering him some food, just two or three pellets a day and see how he goes. Which brings me onto my next question lol. I know I will have to do regular water changes on him with feeding him as he is just in a tub with an air stone. However I have got a tank with an active external Bio-filter, with a couple of fish in it. So what percentage salt water do I have to get down to before it will not kill of the bacteria in the filter?

    Many thanks Rob
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    Great news hopefully your koi makes a full recovery.

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    Well my koi looked back to normal yesterday, all the swelling seamed to have gone down and happily swimming around. I was going to give him another water change today and drop the salt level down. Alas I found him dead! never mind, we tried. Anyway, thanks for the advice,

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmer rob View Post
    Well my koi looked back to normal yesterday, all the swelling seamed to have gone down and happily swimming around. I was going to give him another water change today and drop the salt level down. Alas I found him dead! never mind, we tried. Anyway, thanks for the advice,

    Rob
    Sorry to hear of the loss of your koi mate. At least you tried hard to save it. Keep your chin up mate.
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    Sorry to hear that Rob and very surprised,he looked as though he was going to make it.
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