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    N02 Showing this morning

    Good afternoon all,

    As reported my fish have been unhappy for the past few days but water results have not shown any changes as shown on my previous thread, this mornings results are the same except there is a very light tinge of pink showing in the N02 test, its not a deep enough to be 0.5 but probably around 0.2 if there were lighter shades to choose from the test card, is there anything I can add to help combat rising N02 levels ? fish appear to be holding up in one particular corner on the bottom, not moving around a great deal... many thanks Steve.



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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Good afternoon all,

    As reported my fish have been unhappy for the past few days but water results have not shown any changes as shown on my previous thread, this mornings results are the same except there is a very light tinge of pink showing in the N02 test, its not a deep enough to be 0.5 but probably around 0.2 if there were lighter shades to choose from the test card, is there anything I can add to help combat rising N02 levels ? fish appear to be holding up in one particular corner on the bottom, not moving around a great deal... many thanks Steve.
    hi mate what water test kit is it. my api test kit don t have numbers. just states ammonia nitrite ph nitrate. and so on
    I am guessing it is nitrite simon. if so. water change and don t feed at all. then it will come down. don t feed until it drops. next time mate state what it is. and maybe you will get a quicker reply.
    same with ammonia nitrite nitrates. water changes and cut the feed down. good think is your filter maturing is starting to develop. remember once you have a rise in nitrite. you should see your nitrate start to grow,
    which is what your after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    hi mate what water test kit is it. my api test kit don t have numbers. just states ammonia nitrite ph nitrate. and so on
    I am guessing it is nitrite simon. if so. water change and don t feed at all. then it will come down. don t feed until it drops. next time mate state what it is. and maybe you will get a quicker reply.
    same with ammonia nitrite nitrates. water changes and cut the feed down. good think is your filter maturing is starting to develop. remember once you have a rise in nitrite. you should see your nitrate start to grow,
    which is what your after.
    fred
    did you test after feeding the fish or before you fed them simon

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    Hi Freddy, its Steve here....

    thanks for coming back to me, i am using colombo test lab pro, yes its Nitrite thats showing slightly, fish are going to be scraped tonight when my brother gets to me,just to see if its parasitic or water, its a difficult situation as I need to feed the fish to start the cycle in order to get the bio working, being all new equipment its difficult to know what to do for the best, 8 days of testing and all results have been the same so water is stable, its just a slight pink tinge showing on the Nitrite test and so wondered if this was why the fish were sulking and flashing..... will report back later with scrape results.. thanks Steve.

    testing being done each morning, I also tested last night and results were identical, we only fed 10 pellets a day past 2 days so its not like were over feeding the 5 fish.
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    Steve - it might be worth checking for Chlorine and the O2 levels as I had an NO2 rise with a drop in O2 levels last year and the fish stopped feeding and were actually spitting food out. I think my issue was due to a spawning from memory.

    It's a bit of a tricky one as you are trying to mature your filters but you also don't want to raise any of the NH3 or NO2 levels beyond a safe level do you so the obvious answer would be stop feeding but is that going to slow down the maturing filters too much? Your fish will be producing Ammonia whether they are feeding or not but not in such high amounts I think you'll find?

    Just for you Fred NH3 is Ammonia and in case you've forgotten already NO2 is Nitrate

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    Hi FKK,

    I have checked for chlorine again today using DPD4 tablets and there is no trace of any, the water is aerated via a spindrifter all the time, the N02 Nitrite levels are around 0.2 NH3 at the moment is 0. I am testing the water every day, its a vicious circle as no feeding means low levels of ammonia and waste to help the filters mature, there is only 5 10" fish in 2000 gallons of water so its going to be a long process at 16 degree's.... Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi FKK,

    I have checked for chlorine again today using DPD4 tablets and there is no trace of any, the water is aerated via a spindrifter all the time, the N02 Nitrite levels are around 0.2 NH3 at the moment is 0. I am testing the water every day, its a vicious circle as no feeding means low levels of ammonia and waste to help the filters mature, there is only 5 10" fish in 2000 gallons of water so its going to be a long process at 16 degree's.... Steve.
    Well it was just a thought Steve and at least you can rule them both out now hopefully.

    I could be wrong on this but the Nitrogen cycle takes about 6 weeks to work which is basically what you are trying to achieve as your filters mature but with new ponds come new pond syndrome and this can throw your water parameters all over the place if you not careful with feeding and water changes etc I think you will find?

    It's a good job I am not in Kent or my username and your last reply may have brought some very unwanted attention LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Well it was just a thought Steve and at least you can rule them both out now hopefully.

    I could be wrong on this but the Nitrogen cycle takes about 6 weeks to work which is basically what you are trying to achieve as your filters mature but with new ponds come new pond syndrome and this can throw your water parameters all over the place if you not careful with feeding and water changes etc I think you will find?

    It's a good job I am not in Kent or my username and your last reply may have brought some very unwanted attention LOL
    lol - cheers Frimley KK - yes your right its going to be a battle I think.... cheers Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    Steve - it might be worth checking for Chlorine and the O2 levels as I had an NO2 rise with a drop in O2 levels last year and the fish stopped feeding and were actually spitting food out. I think my issue was due to a spawning from memory.

    It's a bit of a tricky one as you are trying to mature your filters but you also don't want to raise any of the NH3 or NO2 levels beyond a safe level do you so the obvious answer would be stop feeding but is that going to slow down the maturing filters too much? Your fish will be producing Ammonia whether they are feeding or not but not in such high amounts I think you'll find?

    Just for you Fred NH3 is Ammonia and in case you've forgotten already NO2 is Nitrate
    I understand frim. but if people get used to saying nitrite ammonia and so on it is easier. say in six months I will forget myself what 02 03 04 is. I know I was thinking what the f--- is that. and notice he did nt get a reply right away.
    so I replied. my nitrite is blue in the API test kit. as you know oxygen tetra test is pink. so I was a bit bamboozeled. haha
    thanks frim

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi FKK,

    I have checked for chlorine again today using DPD4 tablets and there is no trace of any, the water is aerated via a spindrifter all the time, the N02 Nitrite levels are around 0.2 NH3 at the moment is 0. I am testing the water every day, its a vicious circle as no feeding means low levels of ammonia and waste to help the filters mature, there is only 5 10" fish in 2000 gallons of water so its going to be a long process at 16 degree's.... Steve.
    hi steve obviously all ponds and setups are different. my pond took 2 years to fully mature. don t forget its not just the filters. its pipe work pond the lot that matures. what you have to look at is your going to get ammonia spikes and nitrite spikes.
    what you do if a big jump don t feed at all. and do a water change 10%. I was some times doing 3 water 10% a week mate. if your getting say 0.2 readings just cut the amount of feed you put in the day before by half and go from there mate. that way your still adding a little food. its a lot of patience for that first year.

    here s one for you. pond new build. my holding tank ripped with a wheel barrow. a builder. and I had 48 fish In there, and had to get them in the pond sharpish
    some of them fish where 30cm and above. so imagine the problems I had. and my pond was only half full and it was another 8 days before my filters where plumbed in. I lost about 15 fish over the course of 6 months.
    far far to many fish went in at once. but I had no choice lol. the plan was to introduce 3 fish a month. broke my heart that. But these things happen. some of them fish where 20 years old lol. that's what new pond syndrome does.

    so keep an eye on the water parameters. which I know you are. and water changes lol when needed.
    fred

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    hi steve obviously all ponds and setups are different. my pond took 2 years to fully mature. don t forget its not just the filters. its pipe work pond the lot that matures. what you have to look at is your going to get ammonia spikes and nitrite spikes.
    what you do if a big jump don t feed at all. and do a water change 10%. I was some times doing 3 water 10% a week mate. if your getting say 0.2 readings just cut the amount of feed you put in the day before by half and go from there mate. that way your still adding a little food. its a lot of patience for that first year.

    here s one for you. pond new build. my holding tank ripped with a wheel barrow. a builder. and I had 48 fish In there, and had to get them in the pond sharpish
    some of them fish where 30cm and above. so imagine the problems I had. and my pond was only half full and it was another 8 days before my filters where plumbed in. I lost about 15 fish over the course of 6 months.
    far far to many fish went in at once. but I had no choice lol. the plan was to introduce 3 fish a month. broke my heart that. But these things happen. some of them fish where 20 years old lol. that's what new pond syndrome does.

    so keep an eye on the water parameters. which I know you are. and water changes lol when needed.
    fred

    blimey Freddy that must of been sheer stress !! yes we are sitting on our hands as best we can ref the pond and test results, pleased we did not this time though else we would not of known they had Costia,we thought the flashing might of been down to the water, it was difficult to find when viewing on the scope, glad my brother came down after work 2 hour drive to help me do our first scrape bless him - thanks brother all the best Steve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    blimey Freddy that must of been sheer stress !! yes we are sitting on our hands as best we can ref the pond and test results, pleased we did not this time though else we would not of known they had Costia,we thought the flashing might of been down to the water, it was difficult to find when viewing on the scope, glad my brother came down after work 2 hour drive to help me do our first scrape bless him - thanks brother all the best Steve.
    Yes mate. Good on your bro. Nice one steves bro.
    Is the treatment going in today lol.
    You will learn with your fish. When some thing is wrong. As you go along.
    I have a couple that always stay deep. Like my tench.
    They always come to the window and sulk. If something is wrong.
    Then i test and 9 x out of 10. Theres a problem. With water quality.
    Another example. 2 of my fish that never jump. Where leaping out the water like missiles. I knew there was again something wrong. Scrapes. Flukes and white spot.
    Over the last 3 years thats 2 lots of flukes and 1 white spot.
    This years been real bad on the forum. Remember mate to do the follow scrapes. Looks like your in good hands with your bro though.
    Good luck with the treatment mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Yes mate. Good on your bro. Nice one steves bro.
    Is the treatment going in today lol.
    You will learn with your fish. When some thing is wrong. As you go along.
    I have a couple that always stay deep. Like my tench.
    They always come to the window and sulk. If something is wrong.
    Then i test and 9 x out of 10. Theres a problem. With water quality.
    Another example. 2 of my fish that never jump. Where leaping out the water like missiles. I knew there was again something wrong. Scrapes. Flukes and white spot.
    Over the last 3 years thats 2 lots of flukes and 1 white spot.
    This years been real bad on the forum. Remember mate to do the follow scrapes. Looks like your in good hands with your bro though.
    Good luck with the treatment mate.
    Fred

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    cheers Freddy, yes this afternoon going in, thanks Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    cheers Freddy, yes this afternoon going in, thanks Steve.
    what you using fm&g mixture or the two separate. I use nt labs fmg mixture.

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    Hi Freddy NT labs....

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