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    Infection

    Hi

    I am new here but am looking for some help

    I have had what i think is a bacterial infection for a couple of years and cannot seem to get rind of it

    I am losing fish on a periodic basis, generally these have an open wound where it looks like the flesh has been eaten away

    A chap from my local koi shop has been really helpful and checked water values, i am not sure what they were but they were ok, we have scrapped some fish we have found some tricodina and a few others over the last couple of years but they have been treated.

    However we still keep getting incidents of dead fish with the same ish wounds, i have added a couple of pictures

    The pond is circa 3,000 gallons, is outside with an electric fence around it so I donít think i am getting any issues from herons or cats etc although i did before the fence was installed, the filter is a multi-bay filter with a 55w UV, I clean the filter with pond water only and generally keep the pond clear of leaves etc, the pond is topped up once a week after cleaning the filter, i expect this relapses 5-10% of the water, i use chlorogo after topping up to treat any chlorine

    We have tried everything that my local shop has to offer, i have even had some fish injected, but no matter what we do nothing is making an improvement. The next suggestion is to empty the pond bleach clean the entire system. We would need to remove fish that are showing signs of damage and hope that the rest are not carrying the infection, once cleaned put them back and start again

    Really stuck here and would welcome some opinions on what i could try next

    Any help much appreciated

    Many thanks

    Glenn



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    Do you not have stuff for testing the water yourself?
    PH, kh, ammonia, etc.
    Readings can swing rapidly over the course of a day.
    Getting the water stable is always first thing.
    What has been added to the pond to treat for bacteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Fish View Post
    Do you not have stuff for testing the water yourself?
    PH, kh, ammonia, etc.
    Readings can swing rapidly over the course of a day.
    Getting the water stable is always first thing.
    What has been added to the pond to treat for bacteria?
    Thanks for your reply

    I dont have a water test kit but i have has been tested over time, many times over the couple of years that i have this problem, not sure how many times but frequently and it has always been ok with no issues

    We have tried all sorts of treatments, alporex, salt, etc i cant recall them all, some of the fish have been injected as well, is there a specific treatment for bacterial infections, assuming thats what it is

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    Think you need to contact Dr Paula Reynolds of '' Lincolnshire Fish Health ''

    Tel 01205723413....10AM to 5PM...……..Except Mondays As soon as possible those poor fish.
    Give her as much information as you can, size of pond, filter set up etc, water test results and send her
    those photo's, ''a picture paints a thousand words''. I am no expert but it's obvious you need a bit of professional help.
    Good luck and please ring her .

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    Thanks I will give her a call

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    Wampots, please let us know how things go as it's nice to hear what happened,( good or bad ) and if you had any luck.

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    Hi

    I have been able to have a really good chat with Dr Paula Rynolds today and i have to say she was so helpful, really spent time with me to talk through what the issues were as well as then providing advice on what to do

    So the plan is to treat the water with an anti bacterial Soloutions to reduce the bacterial levels in the pond and at the same time treat any open wounds with iodine to try to stop the infection spreading

    We don’t think we will be able to save the bloated fish but we are hopeful to stop the infection spreading further.

    If we see further outbreaks then we will swap the wound and send them for analysis to establish what antibiotics to use, but we are hopeful to not need to do this

    I have to say that Dr Reynolds was excellent and i am very grateful for the recommendation, many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wampots View Post
    Hi

    I have been able to have a really good chat with Dr Paula Rynolds today and i have to say she was so helpful, really spent time with me to talk through what the issues were as well as then providing advice on what to do

    So the plan is to treat the water with an anti bacterial Soloutions to reduce the bacterial levels in the pond and at the same time treat any open wounds with iodine to try to stop the infection spreading

    We donít think we will be able to save the bloated fish but we are hopeful to stop the infection spreading further.

    If we see further outbreaks then we will swap the wound and send them for analysis to establish what antibiotics to use, but we are hopeful to not need to do this

    I have to say that Dr Reynolds was excellent and i am very grateful for the recommendation, many thanks
    So what treatments are you adding to the pond. To combat the bacterial
    Infections.
    Asking so we can all learn of it.
    If we see something like your problems.
    Good luck with it mate. I know how heart breaking it is when your fish are hurting. Or you lose them.
    Fred

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    So what treatments are you adding to the pond. To combat the bacterial
    Infections.
    Asking so we can all learn of it.
    If we see something like your problems.
    Good luck with it mate. I know how heart breaking it is when your fish are hurting. Or you lose them.
    Fred

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    Sorry i was replying from my phone while out, i am using Chloramine T to reduce the levels of bacteria in the pond and will inspect each fish and clean any open wounds with iodine to try to stop the infection. The Iodine clean will be done several times to try to keep on top of the infection, will let you know how i get on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wampots View Post
    Sorry i was replying from my phone while out, i am using Chloramine T to reduce the levels of bacteria in the pond and will inspect each fish and clean any open wounds with iodine to try to stop the infection. The Iodine clean will be done several times to try to keep on top of the infection, will let you know how i get on
    Thanks for the reply mate.
    Good luck with your treating. Have you got to seal the wounds after using the iodine. Or just clean it and put them back.
    Also is the iodine put on neat. Or diluted down before applying.
    Fred

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    Well done Wampots, at least they have a fighting chance now keep us updated please as its all a learning curve

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    No worries i really appreciate everyone’s help

    The iodine is being used neat and bong been told to seal it with anything

    Will let you know how it all goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wampots View Post
    Thanks for your reply

    I dont have a water test kit but i have has been tested over time, many times over the couple of years that i have this problem, not sure how many times but frequently and it has always been ok with no issues

    We have tried all sorts of treatments, alporex, salt, etc i cant recall them all, some of the fish have been injected as well, is there a specific treatment for bacterial infections, assuming thats what it is
    Good idea to invest £150 in a good water test kit and microscope and learn how to evaluate results from them rather than to rely on others to test for you and sell you treatments ...

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    Friars Balsam can be used as a sealer according to Duncan G.

    Where do you get the Iodine as chemists dont seem to stock it now?
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Friars Balsam can be used as a sealer according to Duncan G.

    Where do you get the Iodine as chemists dont seem to stock it now?
    Morning john i have used TCP before.
    When my topical treating kit ran dry.



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    Morning Fred hope your well, TCP think I heard of Lee useing it,good idea Fred.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    Morning Fred hope your well, TCP think I heard of Lee useing it,good idea Fred.
    Yeah mate he used it on a couple of my fish. When i first had this pomd built. Worked a treat

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Yeah mate he used it on a couple of my fish. When i first had this pomd built. Worked a treat

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    I was thinking of a test kit and a microscope didnt have time to get one for this issue but will certainly look in to it, what sort of scope do i need? Any thing special?

    Same question for the testing kit, any links?

    For the iodine i order it on amazon

    I have cleaned the pond thoroughly this weekend, hovered the pond and done a water change and have now added the chloramine T first dose, I have checked each fish and treated with iodine as well where there is anything that looked read or was open

    Fingers crossed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wampots View Post
    I was thinking of a test kit and a microscope didnt have time to get one for this issue but will certainly look in to it, what sort of scope do i need? Any thing special?

    Same question for the testing kit, any links?

    For the iodine i order it on amazon

    I have cleaned the pond thoroughly this weekend, hovered the pond and done a water change and have now added the chloramine T first dose, I have checked each fish and treated with iodine as well where there is anything that looked read or was open

    Fingers crossed
    "Apex Practitioner" is entry level decent scope with moving slide stage (needed for searching all over the slides at high magnification) ... look out for second hand and Amazon Warehouse damaged box deals (that's where I got mine for about half price) and there was nothing wrong with it ...

    "API Freshwater Master Test Kit" ... is a good test kit to start with ... shop around usually about £25 - £30 ... Don't buy second hand and always ask the seller what the expiry date is if buying new (some false bargains will be about to go out of date) ...

    Test kit and scope is one of the best value investments you can make in the hobby ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trace View Post
    "Apex Practitioner" is entry level decent scope with moving slide stage (needed for searching all over the slides at high magnification) ... look out for second hand and Amazon Warehouse damaged box deals (that's where I got mine for about half price) and there was nothing wrong with it ...

    "API Freshwater Master Test Kit" ... is a good test kit to start with ... shop around usually about £25 - £30 ... Don't buy second hand and always ask the seller what the expiry date is if buying new (some false bargains will be about to go out of date) ...

    Test kit and scope is one of the best value investments you can make in the hobby ...

    Thats great appreciate your help i will have a look and see what i can find

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