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    Ich/whitespot.

    After feeding the fish tonight I noticed a white spot on the top of my ki utsuris head, it has carp pox in other locations so didn't think much of it. But after closer inspection it looks like it's got many (100's) little whitespot on the lower half of its head/cheeks/chin. Its to late tonight to do anything about it, but I shall catch it tomorrow morning, take a closer look and a scrape before doing anything drastic.


    It's something I've never encountered before, but from reading about treatments fmg looks like the treatment of choice. Luckily I already have some, but if any other methods are better please feel free to comment.

    Pond is currently only 11 degrees.



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    FMG or even just Malachite Green on its own will nail white spot with ease.

    Its worth reading up on the white spot life cycle to understand when it is most vulnerable (free swimming stage).

    White spot is serious, and a killer, but really easy to combat.

    In tanks you can eradicate it with just salt, but I wouldn't try it in a pond as white spot is becoming more resistant to it, and you don't want a pond full of salt to get rid of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    FMG or even just Malachite Green on its own will nail white spot with ease.

    Its worth reading up on the white spot life cycle to understand when it is most vulnerable (free swimming stage).

    White spot is serious, and a killer, but really easy to combat.

    In tanks you can eradicate it with just salt, but I wouldn't try it in a pond as white spot is becoming more resistant to it, and you don't want a pond full of salt to get rid of.



    I may just be jumping to conclusions but having a plan ready just incase. I shall bowl it up in the morning and get it scraped.

    The fish all seem fine and are eating.

    If malachite green will work on it's own then that's great, the less chemicals i need to add the better.

    Thanks J

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    Hi

    Is the fish acting at all strangely?

    I ask as a male fish will get little white spots on its head and gill plates when the spawning season is upon us. Just may be that is what you are seeing?

    The only way to know for sure is to take a scrape, on Koi the spots appear pretty late on in the lifecycle of Ich and by the time they do (in any numbers) the prognosis is not that good...

    My feel is that this is breeding spots as behaviour wise they don't seem to be suffering but explore tomorrow.

    You would need formalin with malachite, malachite and salt is a potential alternate... but MGF is the ideal..Hopefully you will not need either.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    Hi

    Is the fish acting at all strangely?

    I ask as a male fish will get little white spots on its head and gill plates when the spawning season is upon us. Just may be that is what you are seeing?

    The only way to know for sure is to take a scrape, on Koi the spots appear pretty late on in the lifecycle of Ich and by the time they do (in any numbers) the prognosis is not that good...

    My feel is that this is breeding spots as behaviour wise they don't seem to be suffering but explore tomorrow.

    You would need formalin with malachite, malachite and salt is a potential alternate... but MGF is the ideal..Hopefully you will not need either.

    Dave


    That could actually make perfect sense, one of my father's large koi is looking like it's ready to pop so that could be the case.

    All the fish seem fine, even though the temp is low they are feeding like piranhas. Non with clamped fins, all swimming about fine and the only flashing I have seen is after feeding but hardly at all.

    I shall Google for pics of male fish during spawning time and see if that looks like what I'm seeing.


    Thanks J

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    I can't find any good pics of tubercles, but if I go check on them tomoz and find a swamp I'm not sure if I'll be pleased or annoyed.

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    I'm not certain either way, but it sure does look like what I noticed. I shall bowl it up tomoz morning and take some pics, hopefully you are correct.

    The female fish that looks like it's ready to pop has also been up 1st eating loads of food for the past week or so but would normally be last up and happy with the left overs.

    If this is the case, would it most likely be more noticeable on a utsuri because of the black? Perhaps I should look at some others to see if it's noticeable. I know that my metallic Ochiba is a male but its face is white/yellow.
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    So after viewing them this morning the tubercles idea is looking correct. Whilst observing at the side of the pond a few of them clearly have the rough looking spots on the cheeks, chin and on the front of the fins. It's a lot more obvious on the darker fish.

    They all seem happy, so I'm not sure bowling one up now is a good idea. I will observe for a while before doing anything, I'm just glad I have not jumped in with both feet and treated for something I didn't need to.


    Big thanks to DaveJ

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    Here's some tubercles on my fancies.

    Its very rare to get tubercles extend onto the body, but these 2 are extremely healthy and in their prime which has caused the tubercles to extend around the mouth and onto the body. These photos are a few months old, there are quite a lot more tubercles now.

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    Another thing with white spot disease is that it tends to attack the fins first, so if there's none on the fins then what Dave said about tubercles becomes more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Here's some tubercles on my fancies.

    Its very rare to get tubercles extend onto the body, but these 2 are extremely healthy and in their prime which has caused the tubercles to extend around the mouth and onto the body. These photos are a few months old, there are quite a lot more tubercles now.

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    Another thing with white spot disease is that it tends to attack the fins first, so if there's none on the fins then what Dave said about tubercles becomes more likely.
    also on these ones the spots have a patterned too them, ich will be random
    the slow pond build thread

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    Well a few others have now developed this, including my karashigoi. I guess that confirms it's a male. As long as it still grows bigger than my father's fish I'm not fussed.

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    Nice one dave. Great explanation
    And nice one RS them photo s where great. And that fish is a cracker.


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