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    Koi leaning

    Hi, one of my koi is leaning when still and a few have been flashing although I treated my pond for parasites.
    Any thoughts please



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    what are your water parameters, which parasite did you treat for and with what?

    need much more info to be able to help.

    Dave

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    Water parameters all ok, originally had fluke so treated supaverm, about 2 week ago but fish seem to be sulking and the one that was leaning is now on his side but still alive this morning. I’ve also salted my pond to help perk them up

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    why do people take the risk and treat with a banned un registered substance ?

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    It does seem more likely to cause fish death than flukes that's for sure.
    6000g in ground koi pond
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koi Mike View Post
    Water parameters all ok, originally had fluke so treated supaverm, about 2 week ago but fish seem to be sulking and the one that was leaning is now on his side but still alive this morning. I’ve also salted my pond to help perk them up

    what has been your procedure for treating with supaverm, you have to be so accurate with it, and if you cant work out your pond volume out extremely accurately then don't even consider it.
    You should have done massive water changes once the course was completed, have you done that?

    if you haven't start now, and dont forget dechlorinator.

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    you should do 1ml per 100 uk gallons, measured out with a syringe so its dead accurate, definitely not guessed into a measuring jug.
    mix with pond water and add it very, very slowly over 4 hours, after 3 days start changing water, minimum 20 % volume.
    I have successfully used it with no problems, I did an initial 20 % water change, then just the left hose running in to the pond full bore, for what must have been 24 hours, which would probably equate to about double the pond volume.
    Even after the original 20 % water change my fish were much happier.

    Have you any other parasites ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyTony View Post
    why do people take the risk and treat with a banned un registered substance ?
    Erm, it is not banned or unregistered.

    It's the licenced product in the UK for flukes in other species and as such can be perfectly legally prescribed for use in other species such as fish where other products have not been effective, so long as you don't plan to eat your koi. In the UK we have a prescribing cascade that allows the use of a product registered for one species on another in certain circumstances. Medications for pet fish fall under a slightly weird category here anyway because of the small animal exemption scheme that means that bottles of FMG and similar that you buy over the counter are not going through the rigorous drug licensing process at all.

    There's a lot of scaremongering about Supaverm around (including on this thread) but not much of that is actually written by people who have ever actually used it

    I am not recommending you all go out and use it as your first line treatment by the way. There are products that are milder on the fish (and unfortunately also milder on the flukes) that you should probably try first.

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    what happened?

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    Leaning maybe swim bladder issue

 

 

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