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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    I clicked on last link. Which I believe is last years video.
    Had another look and defo not black

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    Just had another look on this years video.
    And it has gone black.
    Still looks good though.
    Your video has now made me sit here looking for my shushi. To study it now Haha.
    And patch is going nuts. Because he wants his walk haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Just had another look on this years video.
    And it has gone black.
    Still looks good though.
    Your video has now made me sit here looking for my shushi. To study it now Haha.
    And patch is going nuts. Because he wants his walk haha

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    Just looked at my shushi. And it has gone darker. On the top. Not black. But I think it will in time though

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    Cheers Fred. Yeah he was beautiful last year but sadly all that blue turned black in my hard water.

    Sorry patch for delaying your walk!

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    In have tried shusui over the years, and had some really nice pale blue fish, but I am in a very hard water area and they all went really dark in under a year.

    Shame because I really like them..but now don't bother. its bad enough trying to keep shimmies off the Kohakus lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishplanetkoi View Post
    In have tried shusui over the years, and had some really nice pale blue fish, but I am in a very hard water area and they all went really dark in under a year.

    Shame because I really like them..but now don't bother. its bad enough trying to keep shimmies off the Kohakus lol.

    Why do they get Shimmies, hard water is it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    Why do they get Shimmies, hard water is it??

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    People say that hard water does it.

    It must be partially within the genes though so maybe the hard water just speeds up what would be inevitable anyway.

    Seen 1 or 2 stunning Nisai Shusuis around the £600 mark, and people say older high quality ones don't suffer from it, but couldn't take the risk in buying one as you'd feel sick if it turned black within a year.

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    Sorry to sound stupid but in shimmies do we mean the odd scale that's almost ginrin like?? If so I have 0 kh super soft and had a chag from about 8cm now about 35cm and that has developed 3 or 4 ??

    Do as bicarb to get kh to 4

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    Freddyboy the legend

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    My opinion, I dont think its water but more Gene's.

    If the koi is carrying it then probably it will develop.

    I have a ginrin chag,Steve ( stuffyrat ) has seen it and when I bought it it had a faint taint of black but it has come out more as it has got older,my water has 0 kh so super soft and I have a Kohaku with shimmies as well.

    Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Sorry to sound stupid but in shimmies do we mean the odd scale that's almost ginrin like?? If so I have 0 kh super soft and had a chag from about 8cm now about 35cm and that has developed 3 or 4 ??

    Do as bicarb to get kh to 4

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    i thought shimmies was little black spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyreefer View Post
    i thought shimmies was little black spots
    Yes this is correct.

    My Shusui started developing small black spots, then got so many the top half completely turned black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1 View Post
    My opinion, I dont think its water but more Gene's.

    If the koi is carrying it then probably it will develop.

    I have a ginrin chag,Steve ( stuffyrat ) has seen it and when I bought it it had a faint taint of black but it has come out more as it has got older,my water has 0 kh so super soft and I have a Kohaku with shimmies as well.

    Just my opinion.
    How do you get rid of shimmies or at least control it ?

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    Before you try to get rid of shimmies, you firstly have to be sure it is a shimmy and not black pigment spots. most black spots are just colour coming through in small spots, and this is part of the fishes genes, and can't be stopped. In my experience true shimmies are caused by hard water, but I have no hard evidence with that.

    You will feel that a true shimmy, has a slightly raised feel to it. Some can come off/out with a thumb nail, but in Japan they use a fibre brush, similar to the type used for cleaning circuit boards, or a scalpel. You still have to treat the area as mostly they bleed, and you can easily damage the area if rubbed too hard.

    In my opinion, if you are not going to show the fish then what problem are a few spots anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishplanetkoi View Post
    Before you try to get rid of shimmies, you firstly have to be sure it is a shimmy and not black pigment spots. most black spots are just colour coming through in small spots, and this is part of the fishes genes, and can't be stopped. In my experience true shimmies are caused by hard water, but I have no hard evidence with that.

    You will feel that a true shimmy, has a slightly raised feel to it. Some can come off/out with a thumb nail, but in Japan they use a fibre brush, similar to the type used for cleaning circuit boards, or a scalpel. You still have to treat the area as mostly they bleed, and you can easily damage the area if rubbed too hard.

    In my opinion, if you are not going to show the fish then what problem are a few spots anyway.
    Oh right, they don't cause problems or lead to other problems the? thanks I didn't know what they were to be honest, as I thought he were something else that had to be treated.

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    Just realised its called Shimi not Shimmie

    And plural is Shimis.

    Thanks to Manke Sanke's site!

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