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13-07-2023, 05:04 PM #1
coppens Midori
hi all
im about to order my next batch of food and come across coppens midori cant find anything about it other than its mainly insect based.
or should i stick to meals worms as a treat.
regards
rolo
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13-07-2023, 05:36 PM #2
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13-07-2023, 07:12 PM #3
thanks for quick reply.
regardless of green being the in thing has anyone tried it any results good or bad.
i could always mix it with another food seems high in fibre low in fat ?
keith
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13-07-2023, 09:24 PM #4
If the insectmeal is black soldierfly larvae (Almost certainly)
It has been shown in a scientific paper to cause inflammation of the gut and digestion issues in common carp.
I'm not a fan if any terrestrial insect based food as the amino acid profile is also not ideal for fish.
A few mealworm for a treat is fine but not to make up a significant part of the diet.
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14-07-2023, 07:31 AM #5
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14-07-2023, 08:31 AM #6
well that's that sorted no midori. I'll stick to mixing two coppens feeds together and meal worms and bread as treats.
keith
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14-07-2023, 09:35 AM #7
Last edited by davethefish1; 14-07-2023 at 09:38 AM.
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14-07-2023, 09:37 AM #8
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14-07-2023, 09:40 AM #9
Cheers Dave,
Yes black soldierfly larvae is sold as calci worms; https://www.gardenwildlifedirect.co.uk/calci-worms.html
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14-07-2023, 03:09 PM #10
is meal worms and calci worms the same?
keith
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14-07-2023, 03:19 PM #11
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15-07-2023, 06:00 PM #12
heres the paper,
a bit heavy reading and though they did find good growth rates in carp (for farmed fish)
studies also found some liver damage and intestinal inflammation and injury. (4.2)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...52513421001538
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15-07-2023, 07:17 PM #13
Thanks Dave, it looks like heavy going, I'll try to get through that, cheers - hope the hols were good
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15-07-2023, 08:48 PM #14
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16-07-2023, 01:12 PM #15
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16-07-2023, 02:35 PM #16
that depends on if they do use black soldier fly larvae, there are mealworms and other insect feeds it could be, i'm just more sceptical of large corporations lately
and how much BSFP in inclusion, rates in the test were 9g/kg
but they also said in the paper that defatted black soldier fly larvae reduced the amount of intestine inflammation....
there are positives and negatives to it's use.
i don't suppose fish farmers give a monkeys if the food causes health problems if the fish are for the table anyway, plus it is cheaper and as a bonus it is more 'sustainable'
what is sustainability anyway? the ability to farm it for low cost (black soldier fly larvae still needs intensive lighting and heating to 'farm')?
the fact you can do it cheaply using less acreage of land per kg of protein vs a cow?
whats wrong with farming fish to make fishmeal?...surely a more 'natural' method of producing fish food?
but anyway i personally wouldn't choose to take the risk of feeding something shown to cause potential problems.
and coppens are too secretive about actual ingredients, does it state what the insect inclusion rate is? and what insect on the label?
as i like top koi too, but then noticed the change in ingredients which was only a couple of years ago....Last edited by davethefish1; 16-07-2023 at 03:39 PM.
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16-07-2023, 02:46 PM #17
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16-07-2023, 03:46 PM #18
pity, they could do flavoured with GLM, king prawns, or tiger shrimp
guess those ingredients are too expensive...
GLM is about £30 per kg but a great high quality high protein ingredient,
i used to add to my own boilie base mixes when i used to roll my own...
shame they don't add it to koi food...?Last edited by davethefish1; 16-07-2023 at 05:06 PM.
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16-07-2023, 04:12 PM #19
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16-07-2023, 05:09 PM #20
i've tried pre soaking them to soften the pellets, and it does allow them to wolf it down quicker... can't be arsed to do that 10 times a day lol
but observing them eating softened pellets, a lot of waste seems to come out of the gills as they chew them, that i don't see when they eat them fresh and hard.
so some might be getting wasted straight into the water...
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