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    Always love that fish . You dont have room for that rs think I'll have to take it off your hands like Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    The Sutton QT facilities place is where the pics in this article were taken, but is a lot bigger than even these pics imply:

    Koi Water Garden - Newly Quarantined Stocks ยป Nishikigoi.Life
    Yeah just been reading about them, QT facilities look second to none, in it funny I've been to both shops and although I thought the Sutton shop had more fish that were nice, I had discounted both, glad that you've pointed me back in their direction as the quality and prices look excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Always love that fish . You dont have room for that rs think I'll have to take it off your hands like Haha

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    Excuse me, excuse me there's a queue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Always love that fish . You dont have room for that rs think I'll have to take it off your hands like Haha

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    I will second thaT Aj,beautifull koi Rs,put a recent pic up so we can see.

    I have never been to Koi water gardens but been on their website quite often,very informative folk about pond builds and treatments.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Yes the one in Sutton.

    Think they have 2 retail premises but I've only been to the main quarantine facility which I'd imagine is far better than the retail places due to the vast size of it and the quantity of fish they have.

    I believe they use well water with a PH of 6.5 and it is worth bearing this in mind when acclimatising their fish to your water. My PH is 8.2 and the Koi I bought from them acclimatised very quickly and was stuffing her face by the following morning.... And has continued to do so ever since, now looking like a rugby ball!

    This is the Koi I bought from them on the day of purchase, its a new variety called a Kirin, will take an updated photo shortly but its put on at least 10cm since April:


    Cracking fish RS. Love it

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    Posted a video of all the fish on this thread:

    https://www.koiforum.uk/koi-gallery-...oi-2019-a.html

    Not the best of videos as the colours look washed out due to reflections in the water. The Kirin is fat now which has stretched her colours a bit. Apparently it could take a couple of years before the black scaling properly comes through. She's lost a bit of yellow off the head, but still looks ok.

    Need to get a video under sunlight to show her at her best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajm View Post
    Always love that fish . You dont have room for that rs think I'll have to take it off your hands like Haha

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    But would you go as far as venturing down South for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    But would you go as far as venturing down South for it?
    As long as it was a quick trip keep me windows up and doors locked hahah for that fish mate I would make that monumental sacrifice haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    Excuse me, excuse me there's a queue
    Haha am pushing in Haha

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    Tom,

    Best place to view their fish is on their website, then collect it from the quarantine facility.

    With mine they said if I didn't like the fish in the flesh I could use the deposit towards a different one. As it happens most of their fish looked even better in the flesh and I instantly feel in love with mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Tom,

    Best place to view their fish is on their website, then collect it from the quarantine facility.

    With mine they said if I didn't like the fish in the flesh I could use the deposit towards a different one. As it happens most of their fish looked even better in the flesh and I instantly feel in love with mine!

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    Have they got decent Koi available all year round do you know RS?

    Notsure when I'll be ready for fish to be honest and notsure I should put fish in pond this autumn or later?

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    Only discovered them myself a year ago but I'd imagine the website will always have a large quantity of fish offered, but not necessarily available to collect as they quarantine for 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Only discovered them myself a year ago but I'd imagine the website will always have a large quantity of fish offered, but not necessarily available to collect as they quarantine for 3 months.

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    I intend on being heated as I've already got the heater, so I maybe ok to put 3 or 4 fish in, Probably better with Nisai fish though as Gary advised me to put them him as they'll more than likely be hardy fish.

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    Hi Tom,

    for what its worth if were to do this all over again where the new pond and filters are concerned I would 100% opt for fishless cycling until my filters had come good, I should of listened but like most you cannot wait to get some fish in your pond and I get that but they will go through it a bit as your water parameters will be all over the place which will effect your fish..….. you need ammonia and fish waste etc to feed the filters to get the cycle working, its taken me 8 weeks to get my ammonia to zero and 11 weeks to get my Nitrite to 0.2 but has been as high as 1 with nitrate around 35 !!! which caused flashing and basically lethargic fish, I think I have had perfect temps and conditions along with a fortune spent on live bacteria etc to get where I am so quickly, I started off slowly and still only have 4 fish in the pond between 10" to 14" and 2 around 20" I can tell though that it would not take much more fish pressure to tip the balance and suffer with spikes...…..sounds controversial but if you went down the sealed hessian sack route with horse manure it will mature your filters quite quickly especially during warm ambient conditions... Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi Tom,

    for what its worth if were to do this all over again where the new pond and filters are concerned I would 100% opt for fishless cycling until my filters had come good, I should of listened but like most you cannot wait to get some fish in your pond and I get that but they will go through it a bit as your water parameters will be all over the place which will effect your fish..….. you need ammonia and fish waste etc to feed the filters to get the cycle working, its taken me 8 weeks to get my ammonia to zero and 11 weeks to get my Nitrite to 0.2 but has been as high as 1 with nitrate around 35 !!! which caused flashing and basically lethargic fish, I think I have had perfect temps and conditions along with a fortune spent on live bacteria etc to get where I am so quickly, I started off slowly and still only have 4 fish in the pond between 10" to 14" and 2 around 20" I can tell though that it would not take much more fish pressure to tip the balance and suffer with spikes...…..sounds controversial but if you went down the sealed hessian sack route with horse manure it will mature your filters quite quickly especially during warm ambient conditions... Steve.
    Cheers Steve, where can you get those sacks Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    Hi Tom,

    for what its worth if were to do this all over again where the new pond and filters are concerned I would 100% opt for fishless cycling until my filters had come good, I should of listened but like most you cannot wait to get some fish in your pond and I get that but they will go through it a bit as your water parameters will be all over the place which will effect your fish..….. you need ammonia and fish waste etc to feed the filters to get the cycle working, its taken me 8 weeks to get my ammonia to zero and 11 weeks to get my Nitrite to 0.2 but has been as high as 1 with nitrate around 35 !!! which caused flashing and basically lethargic fish, I think I have had perfect temps and conditions along with a fortune spent on live bacteria etc to get where I am so quickly, I started off slowly and still only have 4 fish in the pond between 10" to 14" and 2 around 20" I can tell though that it would not take much more fish pressure to tip the balance and suffer with spikes...…..sounds controversial but if you went down the sealed hessian sack route with horse manure it will mature your filters quite quickly especially during warm ambient conditions... Steve.
    Well said Steve, I like that.
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    Cheers Steve, where can you get those sacks Steve.
    I guess you can pick them up online mate, they will be open sacks so you can fill them but you will need to twist the sack and tie up with some string or something like that, you just want the oozing ammonia and festuring bacteria to seep out, this will drench your immature media with lots of ammonia and natural good bugs etc just what the filters need, put them in and leave for a while, don't bother doing any water tests for at least a few weeks and then see what happens, I was told to do this by a Koi supplier/buyer who has helped me a lot alongside all my fellow friends on here i know he matured a pond in Spain in amazing time obviously there was high ambient temp which really helped benefit the new pond but it makes sense if you think about it and you don't have the hardship of suffering stressed fish or yourself !!! just let it get on with it...….

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartin View Post
    I guess you can pick them up online mate, they will be open sacks so you can fill them but you will need to twist the sack and tie up with some string or something like that, you just want the oozing ammonia and festuring bacteria to seep out, this will drench your immature media with lots of ammonia and natural good bugs etc just what the filters need, put them in and leave for a while, don't bother doing any water tests for at least a few weeks and then see what happens, I was told to do this by a Koi supplier/buyer who has helped me a lot alongside all my fellow friends on here i know he matured a pond in Spain in amazing time obviously there was high ambient temp which really helped benefit the new pond but it makes sense if you think about it and you don't have the hardship of suffering stressed fish or yourself !!! just let it get on with it...….
    Cheers Steve.

 

 
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