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    How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume?

    Well here’s mine been set up 7 months,

    Pond capacity in litres / gallons: 8036l / 1766g
    How many koi over 30cm: 0
    How many koi under 30cm: 13
    How many non-koi: 0
    Main filtration unit: biomax 50 filled with k1
    Have you had to treat for parasites/bacterial infections (exc. injuries) in the last 7 months, if so, how many times: none



    Not heated and probably won’t be in the near future, I did cover last winter and pond never dropped below 5 deg all fish came through it and were happy even though they were small.

    As far as water changes go I swap out about 25% per week to water the plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimley Koi keeper View Post
    I would put my info on here but I think it would kick something off lol.
    Just stick em up Frim - This thread isn't to judge mate.

    If you are over-stocked and have a pond full of healthy fish that will at least go some way to disproving the stocking vs health ratio, especially if you're running it all on a pressure filter lol!

    Some of the stocking levels have surprised me. Even with just 12 Koi my Nexus 220 is a stinking cesspit after just 3 days without a clean.

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    Koi under 30cm 1
    Koi over 30cm 14
    Oase drum with two bio chambers (250ltr media), and bakki shower with 70kg bacteria house media.

    Treated for flukes and trichodina this year first time in 3yrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    https://www.seneye.com/store/seneye-pond.html yes it tells me temperature ph and ammonia sorry got confused,they were supposed to be making it do nitrite but still not done it yet,can view readings anywhere on mobile and it messages me if any readings go out of safe range,also if the monitor in water isnt submerged i.e water level drops,,,,,andi
    andi can you get one of those that work wifi instead of mucking about with usb cables. I would need a long usb cable to run to my computer in the house lol. I would need 30m to 40 meters

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee63 View Post
    Pond capacity in litres/gallons(uk) - 10230/2250

    How many koi above 30cm - 14

    How many other carp above 30cm - 2 (1x mirror 1x ghost)

    How many koi below 30cm - none

    How many non koi - 4 (1x tench above 30cm, 2x rudd and a crucian carp below 30cm)

    Main filtration - retro BD pump fed QK22 drum into a large 8 foot multi bay with various medias.

    How many illnesses in the last year - absolutely zero issues.

    How old is the pond - this one is 4 years 9 months -half my fish stock is at least or well over 10 years old

    P.s - i think the ponds age/maturity has a huge indicator in this topic to what you are trying to work out from it bud. Ie you will probably find most ponds with most issues are still in their infancy (2years)

    Some of my bio media is getting on for 10 year old

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    My heads not with it today ha ha I’ve edited this post 3 times now How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume? bloody forget my own fish ha ha. posted then went for a smoke at the pond and thought hang on i didnt include my sanke’s in that post or the kujaku ffs.



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    hahaha love it brill. liked having a smoke by your pond lol

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    Yes thet do the seneye web server add on.but as daft as it sounds mine is plugged into an old tablet pc with wifi sat in filter house just set to not shutdown lol....andi

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee63 View Post
    This i can totally relate to ha ha, not that i want rid of my ghost or any of my least favourites but i also find most people comment on what i regard as the mutts or not so good examples ha ha its weird how the eye changes the more you get into the hobby.

    Are you sure they are ghosty mixiflops though and not orenji ogons?




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    that's true lee. but have you noticed how many say it. but don t get rid. I am also included in that as well. sentimental have nt got the heart, or do they REALLY like them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andikoi View Post
    Yes thet do the seneye web server add on.but as daft as it sounds mine is plugged into an old tablet pc with wifi sat in filter house just set to not shutdown lol....andi
    is that add on at that site. and I don t suppose you know what the extra cost is andi

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    How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume?

    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Just stick em up Frim - This thread isn't to judge mate.

    If you are over-stocked and have a pond full of healthy fish that will at least go some way to disproving the stocking vs health ratio, especially if you're running it all on a pressure filter lol!

    Some of the stocking levels have surprised me. Even with just 12 Koi my Nexus 220 is a stinking cesspit after just 3 days without a clean.
    A drum really does make all the difference mate, as in my post i am by most koi peoples/book/info standards way over stocked but alls good and i still stick with a trusty old multi bay How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume? granted before the drum it was a-lot of maintenance but i can honestly say I’ve had no more or less problems than what i had before it only I physically don’t have to do much at all now.
    Its always interesting to see what overs have and what works for different people mate, I’m firmly in the group of “if your pond and set up can handle it then why not” but as most already know it doesn’t take much to tip the balance sometimes. Its always best to start out slow and build up to what you and your pond can cope with. If i didn’t have the drum last year theres a good chance i would of messed my pond right up and probably lost fish because i couldn’t physically clean the bay if it needed it etc...

    As RS said frim, there will be no judgement from me either, would be a bit hypocritical if i did ay How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume?


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    Pond capacity in litres / gallons: 5000 gallons

    How many koi over 30cm: 9

    How many koi under 30cm: 12

    How many non-koi: 17

    Main filtration unit: bottom drain to nexus 320 Draco Drum. with 320lts of mixed K1 and helx 13 media with air. Skimmer to Ultra sieve. and 85 w UVs one 55w and one 30w

    Have you had to treat for parasites/bacterial infections (exc. injuries) in the last 12 months, if so, how many times: twice this year once for skin flukes. and once for white spot.
    Trickle in and out 10% of 5000gallons per week
    Water changes 10% weekly + trickle adds to 20% weekly.
    Unheated
    Covers on in winter
    Pond is 3 years old

    also QT GROW ON 450 gallons easypod 2x100 ltr water butts media about five sheets jap matt in each and 4 bags of grogg spread into both butts

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodberry View Post
    I have no idea what a mixiflop is and neither does google!

    I'm pretty sure they're bog-standard ghosties - I got 10 for £30 from a local aquatic centre...
    Yes they are not orenji ogons bud just ghosties. When i say mixiflop i just mean ghosties or mixed metallic koi to be more exact. They dont really have a specific variety to fall into hence why people call them ghosties due to been sliver/bronze/gold shiny metallic carp etc... some are pretty much a variety but missing a pattern or a feature of some sort. To be fair they probably do fall into a real variety class in japanese standards but they are not favoured thats all. I like ghosties as alot of people do but the purists will not have them lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by lee63 View Post
    A drum really does make all the difference mate, as in my post i am by most koi peoples/book/info standards way over stocked but alls good and i still stick with a trusty old multi bay How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume? granted before the drum it was a-lot of maintenance but i can honestly say I’ve had no more or less problems than what i had before it only I physically don’t have to do much at all now.
    How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume?

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    There's only 1 reason I've not got a drum.

    Noise.

    My filter pit is by the back fence, the other side of which is an alleyway used by nobody except burglars. If they hear the drum doing its cleaning cycle they'll be over in a shot to see what they can nick.

    Someone further down the street had their hot tub drained and stolen over the back 6' fence in the middle of the night recently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    There's only 1 reason I've not got a drum.

    Noise.

    My filter pit is by the back fence, the other side of which is an alleyway used by nobody except burglars. If they hear the drum doing its cleaning cycle they'll be over in a shot to see what they can nick.

    Someone further down the street had their hot tub drained and stolen over the back 6' fence in the middle of the night recently!
    Bloody hell that must have been a sight running down the road carrying a hot tub...unbelievable..

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    Pond capacity in litres / gallons: 3800 gallons
    How many koi over 30cm: 9
    How many koi under 30cm: 0
    How many non-koi: 0
    Main filtration unit Oase drum/bio chamber 2 showers
    Have you had to treat for parasites/bacterial infections (exc. injuries) in the last 7 months, if so, how many times: none

    My pond is indoors, I'm a big believer fluctuations in temps can stress koi and cause out breaks of parasites, and usually in spring this is the time it will happen, having said that, I can't believe its mid J
    une and this cold

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    20 Koi; 65 to 95cm. Miles too many!

    Two BDs and a skimmer to a profidrum. Shower and fluid K1 on the Bio and Freshskim 200 for the DOCs.

    The Koi get treated when there is a need. I'd reckon they have had a couple of Flubenol treatments and one, maybe two of PP in the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee63 View Post
    A drum really does make all the difference mate, as in my post i am by most koi peoples/book/info standards way over stocked but alls good and i still stick with a trusty old multi bay How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume? granted before the drum it was a-lot of maintenance but i can honestly say I’ve had no more or less problems than what i had before it only I physically don’t have to do much at all now.
    Its always interesting to see what overs have and what works for different people mate, I’m firmly in the group of “if your pond and set up can handle it then why not” but as most already know it doesn’t take much to tip the balance sometimes. Its always best to start out slow and build up to what you and your pond can cope with. If i didn’t have the drum last year theres a good chance i would of messed my pond right up and probably lost fish because i couldn’t physically clean the bay if it needed it etc...

    As RS said frim, there will be no judgement from me either, would be a bit hypocritical if i did ay How Many Koi do you have in what pond volume?


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    Lee36,

    The stocking rules / guidance is precisely that - guidance for average setup trying to avoid novices stocking their new ponds to the level seen in commercial aquaculture.

    The reality can be quite different - as it is all complex relationship between amount of waste generated (function of water temperature, feeding rate and number of fish) on one side and quality of bio-filtration (function of bio filter design / flow / retention time, bio-media and its active surface and maturity of bio-film among others) driving the speed of bio-degradation of the waste. All of this multiplied with amount of fresh water exchanged weekly and maturity of the pond - min two years old one can be considered matured enough.....

    Bottom line - I guess all I am trying to say here it is the simple fact, that each pond is very unique ecosystem on its own - so actual stocking level will depend on all the different things listed above plus filter / pond maintenance schedules as well.

    Someone may have great results with by all rules substantially overstocked pond while someone else may repeatedly run into various issues with less than recommended stocking level.

    So my five cents here are it all depends on the koi keeper - how well he knows his setup and how well is maintaining it......
    You get what you pay for - or better - what you make yourself.

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    Definitely no relationship between stocking density vs health issues so far.

    Health issues appear to be more prevalent in immature ponds, possibly not due to the pond itself but caused by bringing parasites in with new fish.

    I'll give it a few days for more people to post their numbers up and I'll do some sums.... but not banking on discovering anything interesting as things stand.

    I'm at 1 Koi per 1000 litres and the pond always looks full.... the greedy gits purposely group together in my line of sight at all times which probably gives the impression of being crowded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Definitely no relationship between stocking density vs health issues so far.

    Health issues appear to be more prevalent in immature ponds, possibly not due to the pond itself but caused by bringing parasites in with new fish.

    I'll give it a few days for more people to post their numbers up and I'll do some sums.... but not banking on discovering anything interesting as things stand.

    I'm at 1 Koi per 1000 litres and the pond always looks full.... the greedy gits purposely group together in my line of sight at all times which probably gives the impression of being crowded.
    I wonder if its better to stick with one or maybe two sellers, than buy from a few? I know NPS is maybe a bigger, but still.

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    Funnily enough having bought fish from a variety of sources in the past, including eBay I have decided to restrict myself to two dealers for my new pond because I think they both quarantine effectively. It’s a pain because they’re not local but it does feel like it derisks stocking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    I wonder if its better to stick with one or maybe two sellers, than buy from a few? I know NPS is maybe a bigger, but still.
    Think that might depend on which sellers!

    There are well known dealers with solid reputations, but I'm not convinced their fish are clean and I'm certain their fish are not heat ramped.

    I'm sure there's Dealers who quarantine against KHV and treat against Costia etc, but see flukes as part and parcel of koi keeping and don't worry too much about them.

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