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    Quote Originally Posted by AJB View Post
    This subject is very interesting. I was looking at Koi Water Barn website at the weekend and they have some fish on there listed at, for example, £8,995. I wondered who pays this and why.

    I've seen members here advertise fish they paid several hundred pounds for, and after a year or two, sell off for less than a third of that.

    Dealers must have a very significant mark up - probably retail is at least double their cost. And I suspect that the people capable of identifying the very highest quality fish (not me) have already snaffled the best fish before they see the light of day for the rest of us.

    Value versus price is highly subjective. We are very happy with our fish by and large and the most we have paid is £100. Perhaps this will change as we become more experienced. But I have my doubts. A fish is just a fish.
    £9K For a fish. I'm sure If I won the lottery a few times I might consider it.

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    One of my lads has just paid £500 for a pair of trainers. Heís a plonker though
    itís all relative I suppose, if youíre a premier league footballer into Koi then £10k is loose change.



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    We all see these high priced fish at the dealers, 75% of the floor space at Queni was devoted to fish beyond my budget. These are businesses so I have to assume people by those fish or at least most of them or they simply wouldn’t stock them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJB View Post
    This subject is very interesting. I was looking at Koi Water Barn website at the weekend and they have some fish on there listed at, for example, £8,995. I wondered who pays this and why.
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    The "Why" part of your question is the most interesting.

    £6500 for a 73cm Gosai Showa with no Sumi (It honestly looks like a very nice Kohaku with a few shimmies)
    £3500 for a 60cm Sansai Showa which is completely black gill to tail and top to bottom on one side, and an OK pattern on the other half.
    £5000 for a 63cm Sansai Showa with Sumi only on the red, and Kage Sumi over the white which may never come through.

    The Dealers must know what they're doing to have selected those Koi, and there must be buyers out there for them, so what am I missing, why would someone pay that money for them?

    It obviously goes beyond the pattern and colouring, and I'm likely too inexperienced to recognise that, or, maybe there's great lustre that can only be observed in the flesh?.

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    Another major problem with Koi prices is this, and you see a lot of it......


    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/koi-carp-...IAAOSwsydcyun3

    They are £50 fish at best, well, as long as the seller sorts out the fin rot first!


    And they are cheap compared to some listings, usually a blurred image of murky green water and 3 or 4 shadows for upwards of £5000 !
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    As someone that's still designing and hopefully about his build his first pond this year, this is a very interesting thread.

    I'm honestly quite surprised that most of you spend under £200 for your fish (and very happy as the wallet will hopefully not be taking a hammering once the pond is built) The question i would like to ask is for everyone that buys their fish small and grow them on, how many of you sell fish on after a few years and if so what are your main reasons for doing so?

    Many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roonstar View Post
    As someone that's still designing and hopefully about his build his first pond this year, this is a very interesting thread.

    I'm honestly quite surprised that most of you spend under £200 for your fish (and very happy as the wallet will hopefully not be taking a hammering once the pond is built) The question i would like to ask is for everyone that buys their fish small and grow them on, how many of you sell fish on after a few years and if so what are your main reasons for doing so?

    Many thanks
    I have been one of those,maybe buy in 4 to 6ins and grow on,when old enough keep what I like and sell on,been doing it for a few years.
    I sold 9 koi this year on here prices between £20 - £30 and size up to 13 ins,I thought a fair price but some said very cheap.

    If I was starting again I would buy 6ins koi mixed and let them grow,you can pick up decent koi for 4 for £100 or even better prices.
    John

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    Thanks John,

    I will have a empty 5500-7500 gallon pond when its finally built so am looking at the best ways of stocking it. Size will depend on where the new garage has to go but trying to build only once.....

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  17. #29
    Bit like you I’ll start off with a large but empty pond so stocking is something you’ll give a lot of thought too. I’ve opted to buy a handful of small fish and put them in a grow on tank until next year. I bought simple varieties such as Soragoi, Benigoi hoping that they’d stay on pattern as it were. I’ll buy a handful of 18” type fish next year but know the pond will look empty. Part of the joy is taking your time building a collection, I know in the past I’ve built a pond and then bought a load of fish which I’ve then swapped out over the following years. Guess it’s about balance and patience but it’s hard not to fill the pond day one

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    I have been keeping koi over 10 years now, and not one of my koi is from the original lot sadly, I lost quite a few in the early days with not knowing the basics, an having pond set up wrongly! but over the last 4 years most of them have been sold on to make room for new and hopefully better koi!
    Its been difficult to keep to the plan of mine, which is to purchase one koi per year, invest in one that you think has the potential to do what you want, I grant its not cheap, but then why waste money on koi that will end up being sold on! running a koi pond is not cheap with food,elec,water,treatments, so I realised I didn't want to throw money at a dead horse, and the only way possible was to buy wisely and stick to my original plan with one per year, that means I have another 8 years to hopefully have the collection I want! but some how I still feel I'll end up moving some on!
    As for budget, I'll never go above the £1000 mark, unless I come into a position where money is no object!
    Those of you who do spend way above this, I take my hat off to, as they certainly don't do it to make money! in fact koi are like cars, generally they depreciate and lose 50% of their value by the time they've left the shop and end up in your pond

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    Quote Originally Posted by koicrazysteve View Post
    I have been keeping koi over 10 years now, and not one of my koi is from the original lot sadly, I lost quite a few in the early days with not knowing the basics, an having pond set up wrongly! but over the last 4 years most of them have been sold on to make room for new and hopefully better koi!
    Its been difficult to keep to the plan of mine, which is to purchase one koi per year, invest in one that you think has the potential to do what you want, I grant its not cheap, but then why waste money on koi that will end up being sold on! running a koi pond is not cheap with food,elec,water,treatments, so I realised I didn't want to throw money at a dead horse, and the only way possible was to buy wisely and stick to my original plan with one per year, that means I have another 8 years to hopefully have the collection I want! but some how I still feel I'll end up moving some on!
    As for budget, I'll never go above the £1000 mark, unless I come into a position where money is no object!
    Those of you who do spend way above this, I take my hat off to, as they certainly don't do it to make money! in fact koi are like cars, generally they depreciate and lose 50% of their value by the time they've left the shop and end up in your pond
    Don't forget that even if you spend £3-£6k on a reasonable fish at Nisai the chances of it fulfilling its potential to remain a "reasonable" Koi at 7 are circa 1 in 3... !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djstiles999 View Post
    . Part of the joy is taking your time building a collection
    With you on that mate. Other than 3 pond fillers to get filters moving, I've managed to restrain myself and buy just 1 at a time when something comes up that really catches my eye. Always being on the lookout for the next Koi is quite exciting.

    Being patient has served me well, picked up a beautiful prize winning Sanke at a bargain price from a closing down forum member a few Months back. Would never have had that opportunity if I'd filled the pond from the outset.

    First Koi I wanted was a Showa. Been waiting for the right one to come along (under £300), and finally found one which ironically will be the last Koi in my collection.....

    But already tempted to move on a couple of the original pond fillers just to have room in case another stunner comes along!

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    I should be surprised when you say that Dave, but seeing some of the koi that get moved on for hundreds knowing at one time cost thousands, wasn't a total shock!!

    It can be a rich man's hobby, but having said that, there is a level for every koi nerd, which is why i will continue to try and create the perfect collection 😉👍

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