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    Blank canvas - what would you go for

    Hi ladies and gents,

    Sorry in advance for all the questions i am sure you have been asked a million times before but i will ask again, i am probably going to purchase a tank with a bottom drain, i like the look of the aerated spindrifter, running to a drum filter, uv, what else will i need ?

    The pond will be 10ft x 8ft x 4.5ft - 2000 gallons

    so if it were you starting from scratch with a budget of £2500 what filtration set up would you buy ? to confirm the £2500 is for filtration, i look forward to reading your recommendations, this budget really needs to cover pipework and valves which Craig kindly informed me yesterday will cost a tidy packet.

    thanks
    Steve.



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    I am no expert. I have had a couple of Koi ponds and a novice keeper three years in. My main comment is if you possibly can focus less on equipment and make your pond at least twice as big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJB View Post
    I am no expert. I have had a couple of Koi ponds and a novice keeper three years in. My main comment is if you possibly can focus less on equipment and make your pond at least twice as big.
    Hi AJB if i could i would rear garden simply just not big enough so this is the max i can go to, i might be able to go deeper but this would mean the use of a crane to get the pond into the rear garden as it would not be able to be manually handled between my house and my neighbours as the pathway between the houses will not allow it, if i have no choice but to use a crane at £675 plus vat then i will for sure go deeper to add volume the current set up will still be ball part 2000 gallons, thanks Steve.

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    There's countless options with filtration and no 'right' answer, each setup is individual and you have to go with what works for you. As AJB advised, if you can go bigger then do, you will never say to yourself you wish you'd gone smaller, well not 100% true when you look at running costs but if you could go 1ft deeper you'd increase your pond from 9m3 to 12m3, a larger pond can be more 'stable' i.e. isn't impacted as much from fluctuations in water quality, temperatue etc.

    FIltration wise, if I have a budget of £2,500 for everything, I'd personally probably break it down to something as follows:


    • Drum - 1k
    • Moving Bed filter or Bakki Shower - Get JBR Plastics to make you one - approx. £300-£400 dependant on size, plus allow £100-£150 for K1 media.
    • Bottom Drain - £100 from JBR
    • Skimmer - will you go for one? If so, allow £150 from JBR. Make sure you pick a drum with 2 inlets.
    • Pump - £150, you'll be turning the pond over once a hour, you're better to focus on running costs over upfront costs e.g. a cheap pump may cost a fortune to run in comparison to an 'eco' pump.
    • Air pump - £100
    • Dechlroinator - £75
    • The remaining £375 will go on pipe work, fittings, valves solvent weld glue etc.


    Alternatively don't go for a drum and get a Nexus, you could pick one up for £500 so will save £500 on a drum, and £300-£400 on a moving bed section. There's lots of DIY options too, it comes down to what you want to acheive, what you can live with, running costs and your maintenance time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeM View Post
    There's countless options with filtration and no 'right' answer, each setup is individual and you have to go with what works for you. As AJB advised, if you can go bigger then do, you will never say to yourself you wish you'd gone smaller, well not 100% true when you look at running costs but if you could go 1ft deeper you'd increase your pond from 9m3 to 12m3, a larger pond can be more 'stable' i.e. isn't impacted as much from fluctuations in water quality, temperatue etc.

    FIltration wise, if I have a budget of £2,500 for everything, I'd personally probably break it down to something as follows:


    • Drum - 1k
    • Moving Bed filter or Bakki Shower - Get JBR Plastics to make you one - approx. £300-£400 dependant on size, plus allow £100-£150 for K1 media.
    • Bottom Drain - £100 from JBR
    • Skimmer - will you go for one? If so, allow £150 from JBR. Make sure you pick a drum with 2 inlets.
    • Pump - £150, you'll be turning the pond over once a hour, you're better to focus on running costs over upfront costs e.g. a cheap pump may cost a fortune to run in comparison to an 'eco' pump.
    • Air pump - £100
    • Dechlroinator - £75
    • The remaining £375 will go on pipe work, fittings, valves solvent weld glue etc.


    Alternatively don't go for a drum and get a Nexus, you could pick one up for £500 so will save £500 on a drum, and £300-£400 on a moving bed section. There's lots of DIY options too, it comes down to what you want to acheive, what you can live with, running costs and your maintenance time.
    There was a nexus with draco drum for 1000 on Ebay. Bargains do happen just gotta keep an eye out

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    Agree with AJM.

    If I was starting now and knew what I know now, I would be buying this immediately.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nexus-300...8AAOSwzExcVcUC

    All your filtration needs and much more for your pond size in one package. You would have the potential to increase pond size up to 18000 gallons in the future and that filter would still cope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeM View Post
    There's countless options with filtration and no 'right' answer, each setup is individual and you have to go with what works for you. As AJB advised, if you can go bigger then do, you will never say to yourself you wish you'd gone smaller, well not 100% true when you look at running costs but if you could go 1ft deeper you'd increase your pond from 9m3 to 12m3, a larger pond can be more 'stable' i.e. isn't impacted as much from fluctuations in water quality, temperatue etc.

    Hi Lee,


    FIltration wise, if I have a budget of £2,500 for everything, I'd personally probably break it down to something as follows:


    • Drum - 1k
    • Moving Bed filter or Bakki Shower - Get JBR Plastics to make you one - approx. £300-£400 dependant on size, plus allow £100-£150 for K1 media.
    • Bottom Drain - £100 from JBR
    • Skimmer - will you go for one? If so, allow £150 from JBR. Make sure you pick a drum with 2 inlets.
    • Pump - £150, you'll be turning the pond over once a hour, you're better to focus on running costs over upfront costs e.g. a cheap pump may cost a fortune to run in comparison to an 'eco' pump.
    • Air pump - £100
    • Dechlroinator - £75
    • The remaining £375 will go on pipe work, fittings, valves solvent weld glue etc.


    Alternatively don't go for a drum and get a Nexus, you could pick one up for £500 so will save £500 on a drum, and £300-£400 on a moving bed section. There's lots of DIY options too, it comes down to what you want to acheive, what you can live with, running costs and your maintenance time.
    Hi Lee,
    thank you for your views on the filtration, appreciate its down to preference.... thanks Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Agree with AJM.

    If I was starting now and knew what I know now, I would be buying this immediately.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nexus-300...8AAOSwzExcVcUC

    All your filtration needs and much more for your pond size in one package. You would have the potential to increase pond size up to 18000 gallons in the future and that filter would still cope.
    thanks RS2000, i simply do not have the room unfortunately.

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    I would suggest going for something that is simple to clean if itís easy to do youíll do it often Iím running a midi sieve and bead filter and itís great for maintenance and keeps my water parameters almost perfect if I was to change it Iíd probably go for a drum and moving bed but that wonít be soon


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    Hi DM Thanks, i will for sure use a drum unsure on the bio side as yet, i saw a bead filter yesterday on Craigs pond and that looked a good bit of kit and maintenance looked straightforward, cheers Steve.

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    Hi Sm, definitely go for a drum like the Aem which has a built in UV for 1k.
    Then to moving bed and up to a shower return,if you are handy you can make a shower easy.
    https://www.springbankkoi.com/aem-easy-drum-191-p.asp
    Here is a link for an Aem.
    John

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