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03-07-2018, 09:28 AM #1
Never-ending parasites.
Are others having a real crappy year for parasites?
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03-07-2018, 03:54 PM #2
I did last year from Feb 2017 and think we finally got shot of them may this year.
Good luck
Which parasites causing you grief?
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03-07-2018, 04:38 PM #3
It started with flukes early in the year. Then flukes, flukes and more flukes lol. Then costia followed by more flukes. Every thing got sorted and had a while with nothing, producing some great growth on some fish. My karashigoi has exceeded my expectations already and the heatwave is set to continue. Well I say karashigoi, but it appears to have red eyes so not sure.
Then I found Chilodennela. Then yesterday I found tric and flukes.
Hopefully I'll get break again then I can up the food again.
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03-07-2018, 07:52 PM #4
We lost a fish a couple of weeks ago, didn't know why as we didn't have a microscope at the time, now we have bought one we have found flukes, just ordered Fluke Solve so hopefully we can treat them tomorrow and get rid of it.
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2 x Aerated Bottom Drains and Skimmer
Filtreau HiFlow 30 Drum Filter
Bio Chamber - 140 litres K1
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03-07-2018, 08:14 PM #5
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03-07-2018, 09:07 PM #64600 Gallon Concrete Block and Fiberglass
2100 mm x 710 mm Infinity Window 32mm thick glass
2 x Aerated Bottom Drains and Skimmer
Filtreau HiFlow 30 Drum Filter
Bio Chamber - 140 litres K1
Bakki Shower - 30 KG Sakura Far Infrared Media
2 x 18,000 lh pumps
Heated from house boiler through a heat exchanger
Idealseal MS290
My Pond Build
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03-07-2018, 09:27 PM #7
To add my two penneth, cannot get on with Flukesolve, used it once, was fine, following year treated for Flukes, didn’t clear them, treated again, still didn’t clear them, it’s as though the pond gets immune to Flukesolve, tried on and off since but no use, I’m not alone in think this, gone back to Flubenole..
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03-07-2018, 09:35 PM #8
Have you tried Kasuri fluke S? It looks just like its fluke solve in a different packet.
I used fluke solve this time as it can deal with tric as well as Flukes. If it does that and saves having to PP then it's well worth it. If it fails then I guess I'll be having an awful looking pond for a while.
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03-07-2018, 10:04 PM #9
No, used Fluke M in the past though but that’s Flebenole based.
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03-07-2018, 10:40 PM #10
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03-07-2018, 11:20 PM #11
Personally I have my doubts that flukes killed the fish. Flukes are usually around in ponds and mostly don't cause issues to healthy fish. Heavy infestations are more likely to be a symptom than a cause of issues. I would look elsewhere for the cause of your fish death.
I never treat my pond for flukes.6000g in ground koi pond
+3000g lily/Anoxic pond attached
29 koi (40 to 65cm)
Bottom drain, Mid water & Skimmer to Drum
JBR boichamber->Blue eco 500 pump ->below surface return.
Blue Eco 240 -> Large MB -> Waterfall -> Planted Anoxic pond (25 baskets)
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03-07-2018, 11:43 PM #12
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04-07-2018, 07:35 AM #13
lernex for fluke now used twice and both times got rid , i also have flike solve fluke m and flubanol . been a nightmare this year with fluke . had chillo and tric in small numbers . flukesolve keeps the tric numbers down . i wont use pp in this weather . see how long it takes b4 flukes become immunne to lernex
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04-07-2018, 07:46 AM #14
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Never-ending parasites.
I’ve had a persistent fluke problem until recently, had tried fluke m, fluke solve (multiple times), last time with a pre use dose of pp to strip the mucus layer, still didn’t seem to shift em, so got serious as a mate o mine had supaverm - one dose of that and wham fluke free (or so my last scrapes say anyway!), other than that I’ve been trouble free for a while now.
I do wonder if me netting round the pond to stop birds/cats - whatever getting to it has helped, at one point before netting I used to see birds hop along the wall and jump into the weir on my shower for a drink and an apparent wash too, even found a dead bird carcass in my drum a wee while back that I think must have done just that but somehow fallen into the pond and drowned - thinking being that it was the birds that were bringing unwelcome additions along with them!!
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04-07-2018, 10:19 AM #15
If I see flashing and sulking - (not had it this year but sometimes in previous years) I give the filters a good clean and reduce the feed for a bit - it has always cleared up within a few days. I'm growing more and more convinced that when people treat for flukes they are treating a symptom not a cause of problems. In many cases improvements seen on treatment are probably due more to cleaning and feed reduction that most people do along with adding a treatment. Some of the more aggressive treatments can make things worse by damaging the filter +weakening the fish, leading to secondary infections of other parasites etc.
6000g in ground koi pond
+3000g lily/Anoxic pond attached
29 koi (40 to 65cm)
Bottom drain, Mid water & Skimmer to Drum
JBR boichamber->Blue eco 500 pump ->below surface return.
Blue Eco 240 -> Large MB -> Waterfall -> Planted Anoxic pond (25 baskets)
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04-07-2018, 10:55 AM #16My pond has a lily pond attached - One of the filter returns flows through it. I have frogs/newts, goldfish, pigeons bathing in the stream, visiting ducks and even a grass snake - you name it - and yet I have never needed to treat the pond for parasites in my 9 years of keeping Koi!
6000g in ground koi pond
+3000g lily/Anoxic pond attached
29 koi (40 to 65cm)
Bottom drain, Mid water & Skimmer to Drum
JBR boichamber->Blue eco 500 pump ->below surface return.
Blue Eco 240 -> Large MB -> Waterfall -> Planted Anoxic pond (25 baskets)
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04-07-2018, 11:13 AM #17
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04-07-2018, 05:48 PM #18
No, Fluke M is a powder, could be Fluke P, haven’t used it myself, think it may be liquid.
With parasites I’m not so sure they come from outside influences, could be in the gut of the koi, certain koi seem to attract parasites whilst some never seem to get parasites, seems to be in my pond anyway. If I suspect I have certain parasites I select certain koi for scrapes, I’ve a white Ogon, bet your bottom dollar, if is suspect Flukes this Ogon will have them whilst many of the others won’t, same with Trich, again, I’ve a Sanke that will always have them when I scrape where as many others won’t, but always show on the certain Sanke first.
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05-07-2018, 08:15 AM #19I have a drum filter and I must say I have had less issues since it went in - but then they do nothing biologically. Nitrite increase is the one that springs to mind - I have found my fish react by flashing to levels that hardly show on the test kit. Water change and reduced feeding impact nitrite so that might be a possible answer. It may of course be that the effects depend on multiple factors eg. both water quality/chemistry and the presence of flukes and sorting either one will get rid of the problem.
What I am keen to get across to people is that finding a few flukes should not automatically mean that you need to reach for the treatment bottle there is another option that may be better for your fish and incidentally your pocket.. Just to reiterate there are definitely flukes present in my pond, I netted a fish earlier in the year to take a look at a growth/patch an her head and out of interest took a scrape. My microscope is pretty naff but I still found a couple of flukes on the slide. My fish are fine - a bit of a motley crowd but generally healthy.
6000g in ground koi pond
+3000g lily/Anoxic pond attached
29 koi (40 to 65cm)
Bottom drain, Mid water & Skimmer to Drum
JBR boichamber->Blue eco 500 pump ->below surface return.
Blue Eco 240 -> Large MB -> Waterfall -> Planted Anoxic pond (25 baskets)
Every day feeding container?
Good shout, I'll have a look at Takazumi :)