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20-04-2018, 10:43 AM #1
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Was a sad day... lost my asagi
Well to cut to it i lost my asagi the other day Ive not lost a fish to causes other than myself for a long long time but this one had me bamboozled.
So few weeks back late march i stuck the elecro on the pond and slowly raised the temp upto 13°c and kept it there to even out temp fluctuations and get spring going (weather was still pants then and temps all over ay)
So fish have been getting light feeding up to this week scorchio or what.
The other week i noticed when taking covers off in the morning my asagi didnt really move off the bottom. Over the day monitoring it had hardly moved but when it tried it struggled to get off the bottom. So as you do out he came and a good look over with a few scrapes to boot. Gills looked fine, not a mark on the fish, no swelling nothing. Scrapes where clear with not a thing on them. So i put back and continued to monitor. Over the next few days he hardly moved and just stayed resting on the bottom, now i say resting as it wasnt clamped on bottom its fins where out and it was trying to swim but just couldnt get its bouyancy if that makes sense. Anyways a few days later i took the covers off in the morning to find him laid on his side gutted was an understatement but there litrally was nothing i could do.
Now before its asked i will run through all the usual Q’s. Most on here know me anyways.
Water - is bang on with 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 7.8 ph, 4°kh (api and nt labs drop tests both checked by me and the mrs ) on api the nitrite is bluer than blue and amm is yellower than yellow etc...
Feeding - Light feeding of saki multi season 1-2 times per day and the odd handful of mussels since upping the temp.
over winter its been very little but the odd multi season and mussels here and there.
All fish are happy as ever gliding around fins out not a mark on them, scraped 4 other fish and not a bean on them. No signs of parasites or bacterial on any including the asagi.
Now my own theory is it was a swim bladder issue which may have caused or been the cause of an internal infection. The more i think about it the more it becomes apparent that it did have a slight waddling look to its swimming in the month before this if that makes sense. There was no swelling or signs of dropsy though and im not morbid enough to cut my pet open after its death or even take pictures of it dead so we will never truely know.
Is a shame as this fish was on track to be a fair size when in the bowl last week it was at 56cm and it would have been 2yrs this summer from when i bought it at 16cm. The red had started coming up into its blue back quite unevenly so it was no show winner but i loved that fish. Oh well, we win some and we lose some i guess. Last pics i have are in the bowl from 1st september last year at just over 50cm
RIP asagi, you will be missed my little pellet hoover
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20-04-2018, 11:10 AM #2
As you say, without a post mortem you will never know for sure. Sorry for your loss.
It was a very nice looking fish (was it a he or she?)2016 new 6000 gallon pond
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20-04-2018, 11:13 AM #3
Was a sad day... lost my asagi
That’s a real shame Lee, nice fish as you say.
Given your comments I really couldn’t offer anything else - could it just be one of those things, if all the other fish appear fine then it’s just a sad one off event, was it female?
Good to hear from you anyway mate, maybe not under the best of circumstances.
Rob.
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20-04-2018, 11:20 AM #4
Sorry to hear of your loss lee.
Hope your well mate
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20-04-2018, 11:39 AM #5
Sorry to hear about your loss - it was very nice fish - as you put it Lee - your water parameters are spot on - probably nothing else you could have done.
In my early days I lost one showa purely to my stupidity - heated over the winter at 8 dC, raised the temp to 13 and started regular feeding with EA wheatgerm - three times / day, after one week raised temp further to 15 and went for 5x feeding per day - as it turned out, I did not gave my fish enough time to properly digest it - so after a couple days - this showa being most eagerly eating from all our koi - he started to stay out of the crowd, and slowly - over several days faded away - water spot on, scrapes w/o any signs of any parasites - so contrary to you it was only my fault and I still see him starring at me motionlesly near the surface like he was asking for help I could not provide him with - as by that time it was rotting food inside harming him - so contrary to this caused by my plain stupid action - feeding too much too early there does not seem anything what you might have done differently Lee.You get what you pay for - or better - what you make yourself.
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20-04-2018, 11:44 AM #6
Such a shame to lose any koi but that one did look nice.
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20-04-2018, 11:59 AM #7
So sad Lee to see a nice looking koi pass away..
Asagi are one of my fav koi along with Aka Matsuba and a few others.
I suppose it is really just something that happens...You get what you pay for...
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20-04-2018, 12:12 PM #8
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Was a sad day... lost my asagi
Thanks guys, yes im well thanks be a bit more active again now the seasons kicking back in, i hate the winter months as its rubbish pond wise ay.
As you say feline a post mortem may have answered it straight off but it wouldnt have brought the fish back ay and i didnt have the heart to cut into it. plus im not a vet so to be honest i wouldnt of known what looked right or wrong probably lol
Unsure if male or female, had characteristics of a female so maybe was? That in mind are we thinking maybe internal rotting eggs? Its a possibility.
In regards to the feeding milaz, i see your points there and that can be viable. when i say light feeding i mean really light to be honest. Started feeding once temps where at 8 and above very lightly, lets say in the last 5 weeks ive gone a bit heavier but its still not alot. The ponds at 17.8°c today with this freakish hot spell and its still light feeding for them as i dont want to go too quick. Nothing i can do with temp rise but its risen a bit too quickly for my liking, obviously this has happened after the asagi death so its not a viable culprit either.
Thanks for the kind words guys it means alot, like i say it wasnt winning a show but also wasnt a bad fish at all either and growth was something it did have it will be missed.
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20-04-2018, 12:21 PM #9
Hey Lee, shame about the asagi it look like a decent specimen. Look on the bright side lee you can now go shopping again.
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20-04-2018, 12:38 PM #10
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Know how you must feel, i had to euthanise a lovely ogon I’d had ages yesterday!
It had been a bit “off” recently so it wasn’t a total surprise to be honest, but when I got home yesterday I could see a coloured shape on the bottom of the pond so I turned my bd air off and straight away saw the poor thing on its side on the bottom! It wasn’t actually dead, but obviously very close as it was hardly breathing so I decided to put it out of its misery.
From the water tests I’ve done and the few scrapes I’ve managed, there’s no apparent reason for the fish having gone belly up like it did so it will be a mystery. Worrying thing is that I have another fish, a lovely ochiba that I noticed sat in the corner fins clamped looking miserable so somethings definitely wrong!
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20-04-2018, 12:42 PM #11
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Sorry to hear that blue, this time of year is always the worst for things to be lurking or issues arising. Hope you find whats up with your ochiba 🤞🏻
Thanks adam, to be honest mate i nearly bought a cracking asagi from queni last year but didnt due to this one ive just lost. I will be looking to replace her/him as asagi is one of my favs. Im not in a rush though so will see what crops up
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20-04-2018, 06:24 PM #12
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I've just thrashed my ever less flexible friend and ordered some stuff (new water test kit, sedate & some CT) from Queni so I can re-do my water tests, knock a few fish out to make scrapes easier etc, and maybe CT the pond to try and help whilst I try and get to the bottom of just what the hell is going on! There not happy - flashing/jumping, but until I can get the stuff to do some tests/scrapes i'm just going to have sit on my hands and hope I have no more losses.
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20-04-2018, 06:33 PM #13
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Ah sounds like its starting to boot off mate, hope you get it sorted. Sounds Likely to be the usual suspects of flukes maybe more so gill flukes. Dont take my word though blue you need to 100% make sure first. Fingers crossed for you 🤞🏻
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20-04-2018, 07:57 PM #14
what a shame, lovely looking fish
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20-04-2018, 08:39 PM #15
Sorry mate . What a beauty .
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21-04-2018, 09:13 AM #16
Sorry to hear of your loss, it looked like a cracking fish too
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24-04-2018, 09:18 PM #17
Strange - I see very similar behavior since couple of days - not sure why - we have a lot of tadpoles in our in the ground pond - koi most of the time feast in the shalow areas of pond where most of tadpoles are - maybe too hard to diggest?
About two months ago I have done stupid mistake - dosed my regular monthly cup (150g) of sodium bicarbonate w/o prior measuring the KH (I know!!!) - so my KH went to 15 - started to do water exchanges at about 30% / week with harwested rain water - by now KH down to 10 - still want to get it down to 3 - 5 as I have always kept our pond at pH 7 - 7,2 and KH at 3 tto 5.
Not sure what caused the flashing / jumping - there are also few goldfish I am unable to net out - who have spawned in the pond already - again ... water parameters otherwise spot on - temperature at 20 dC, pH now at 7,6, GH 5, KH 10, NH3 at 0.001 (Seneye), Nitrites zero, Nitrates 10 mg/L, water clear with a bit of blanked weed starting to grow on the walls after UV-C took care of the Spring green bloom early enough.....need to get to the bottom of this.
I suspect, that Wheatgerm I have been so far feeding 3x per day (150g for 23 koi avg. 2kg weight) is not as easily digested by koi as advertised and reccommended - so stopped feeding it yesterday - and will throw away rest of the bag - lost fait in it....
Good luck!Last edited by milaz; 24-04-2018 at 09:21 PM.
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