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    Difficult to believe that I have selected down the numbers down in the wildlife pond by more than 95%...

    There is still work to do.



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    Scoop from one of the inside tanks which have been selected down.






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    Difficult to believe that I have selected down the numbers down in the wildlife pond by more than 95%...

    There is still work to do.



    That's quality mate. Bet it's starting to feel like the hard work is paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_vr6 View Post
    That's quality mate. Bet it's starting to feel like the hard work is paying off.

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    Its fun trying to avoid being spotted, they sense you are there and go hunting for you in case they get a few crumbs of feed.

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    I really don't know how you manage it Dave, well done sir.
    My 150 are growing happily in my lily pond and starting to show a bit more colour now- I am going to find it very hard to throw 145 of them out but by the time they are two inchers it will have to be done. MrsF and daughterF think I am Gengis Khan reborn for even considering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
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    I think I've spotted 3 make that 4 with potential, there's probably more, but please tell me what you think of my choices, 1 is virtually just below centre middle and two right hand side 2/3rds up the side, also the one orange and black underneath the two, body shape and colouring is why I've chosen them, what you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    I think I've spotted 3 make that 4 with potential, there's probably more, but please tell me what you think of my choices, 1 is virtually just below centre middle and two right hand side 2/3rds up the side, also the one orange and black underneath the two, body shape and colouring is why I've chosen them, what you think?
    There isn’t anything In there that will make a GC.. Those few superstars hit you immediately, but they are rare beasts, maybe 10 from 150k or more of hatched fry..

    Have seriously thought about segregating the elite fish and then pampering them in a separate system..

    You look at body, skin attracts the eye, whatever the pattern,.. a good Showa will have three colours on the head, so having Beni there is a good start, thereafter you need the Beni through the length of the fish., if the Beni isn’t there it isn’t going to be there...

    Much depends on where you set the bar, if I see a fish that I don’t feel confident on I retain.

    Practice helps, the process is a series of highs and lows. One thing you learn is that if the fish you aspire to isn’t in the bowl then however long you look it is never going to be there..

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    Dave is there not a chance. Of say a late developer. That changes later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    Dave is there not a chance. Of say a late developer. That changes later on.

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    Hi Freddy, There will be changes for sure, but the Beni is pretty much set in terms of how much there will be and where it may eventually lie.. The only expection app s fr dark coloured areas where some Beni might lie undetected..

    i say may eventually lie as in development terms it can break or can become covered as the semi and shiroji develop, this is something that happens over months and years sometimes this can really help an otherwise boring Beni pattern on a fish so I tend to retain those that have to much Beni. At the other end the f the scale completely, those without Beni but have clear signs of sumi are potential shiros so if the skin is good a number are retained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
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    They look great Dave.

    Think they are overtaking mine size wise. What are they, 12cm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    They look great Dave.

    Think they are overtaking mine size wise. What are they, 12cm?

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    I wish.. No they are in general inch to inch and a half which I am happy with at this stage, the acceleration in growth comes as the numbers reduce.. Was round at Posh Micks (Mick Preston) at the weekend, he adopts a somewhat different approach to rearing and has a nice bunch of Yam/Mukashi parentage coming along. Always good to share notes..

    I may run an experimental second spawning in the next week with very limited black fry numbers retained as I need to gather some data which may help with 2020.

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    They look big in the picture Dave.

    Mine are 9-12cm now but what is really affecting oxygen and parameters isn't their length, they are filling out sideways and getting broader/heavier.

    Sadly none of mine are anywhere close to yours quality wise. But had one turned out amazing I'd have felt guilty for taking it off you so all is good.

    Think they will have to go into anoxic/top pond section as this is the only way I can maintain water quality up until I set up a QT for winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    They look big in the picture Dave.

    Mine are 9-12cm now but what is really affecting oxygen and parameters isn't their length, they are filling out sideways and getting broader/heavier.

    Sadly none of mine are anywhere close to yours quality wise. But had one turned out amazing I'd have felt guilty for taking it off you so all is good.

    Think they will have to go into anoxic/top pond section as this is the only way I can maintain water quality up until I set up a QT for winter.

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    I think that after they have integrated with the other main pond fish they would do well in the pond, I chucked 4 in the main inside tank and they have shot on growth wise despite only feeding on scraps.

    One thing that is always a possibility when mixing fry with older fish is sleeping sickness. It will potentially wipe out the fry very quickly. I have only had one instance of this around 8 years back but it is in my mind as Mick lost a good number to SS last week.

    The fish simply go down to the bottom and keel over on their sides, its real distressing to see and needs a fast response of salt and elevated temps; with this you can avoid casualties and within 48-72 hours the panic is over..

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    I introduced a young 8cm koi once and had those exact symptoms. It wedged itself in a liner crease and stayed there for a fortnight. Then got better on its own.

    Good that you mentioned it though as I'd not considered it.
    These fry will share the same water but different section of pond at first, then in time I shall open up the pipework between the 2 sections and they can venture across in their own time. Hopefully this will help prevent such an occurrence.

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    Whenever I've tried to spawn fish on my terms and timescales it never works.

    Hope you have better luck if planning another spawning this year.... Would be impressed if you pull it off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS2OOO View Post
    Whenever I've tried to spawn fish on my terms and timescales it never works.

    Hope you have better luck if planning another spawning this year.... Would be impressed if you pull it off!

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    The need arises down to a strange set of circumstances... In 2016 I had a golden year with the fry; at first selection I was retaining 20% and second selection was a nightmare, there were so many decent fish and a good number of quality ones.

    I used The Sekiguchi male and a young Isa male with the big Ueno female it was her first year. Things were pretty much done and dusted when I went down at 7, the Sekiguchi was still at it but the Isa was showing no interest at all.

    In subsequent years I have used a Dainichi male along with the Sekiguchi with the Ueno female. Results have been mediocre. Few nice fish but overall no great consistency.

    So what has been different? The Isa.. and what is clear … its not a boy.

    Just maybe that might explain a few things... I have the left hand tank clear and aim to limit numbers of black hatchlings to not much more than 1000 so I can push them on quickly, if things go to plan then at first selection I will know if this crazy notion has some legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    There isn’t anything In there that will make a GC.. Those few superstars hit you immediately, but they are rare beasts, maybe 10 from 150k or more of hatched fry..

    Have seriously thought about segregating the elite fish and then pampering them in a separate system..

    You look at body, skin attracts the eye, whatever the pattern,.. a good Showa will have three colours on the head, so having Beni there is a good start, thereafter you need the Beni through the length of the fish., if the Beni isn’t there it isn’t going to be there...

    Much depends on where you set the bar, if I see a fish that I don’t feel confident on I retain.

    Practice helps, the process is a series of highs and lows. One thing you learn is that if the fish you aspire to isn’t in the bowl then however long you look it is never going to be there..
    Dave are you saying that I've made decent choices, Im impressed with myself now, perhaps I do have a good eye for a decent fish
    Can you tell me what makes them look like they've got potential, i picked their body shape and colouring, but colouring is never guaranteed in fish that young, so Im told.
    Cheers Dave

    Scrap that question Dave just re-read your reply again and you've answered my question, Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    Dave are you saying that I've made decent choices, Im impressed with myself now, perhaps I do have a good eye for a decent fish
    Can you tell me what makes them look like they've got potential, i picked their body shape and colouring, but colouring is never guaranteed in fish that young, so Im told.
    Cheers Dave

    Scrap that question Dave just re-read your reply again and you've answered my question, Cheers.
    Lol, you have made good choices from what is in front of you.. Next time I will try and grab what I think is one of the superstars and drop it in a bowl with some reasonable fry and I think you would not need any hints.

    Any of the fish in the bowl save for the one top left that if you look closely has a misaligned tail tube will be reasonable Showa at Tosai, If you think that there are just 250 or so of similar grade and maybe 50 slightly better ones out of 150,000 it is why you don't see many decent showa around. They are rare beasts, A pleasing pattern on a simple two colour Kohaku may occur in say 1 in 5,000, throw in the extra dimension of a third colour and it becomes needle in a haystack..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davej View Post
    Lol, you have made good choices from what is in front of you.. Next time I will try and grab what I think is one of the superstars and drop it in a bowl with some reasonable fry and I think you would not need any hints.

    Any of the fish in the bowl save for the one top left that if you look closely has a misaligned tail tube will be reasonable Showa at Tosai, If you think that there are just 250 or so of similar grade and maybe 50 slightly better ones out of 150,000 it is why you don't see many decent showa around. They are rare beasts, A pleasing pattern on a simple two colour Kohaku may occur in say 1 in 5,000, throw in the extra dimension of a third colour and it becomes needle in a haystack..
    No wonder the prices are so high, Im struggling with the names of the type of Koi, I like the colour varieties, yellow and black, red and black, white and black, matsuba's, agasi's and the others that look like they have dark scales on their backs one such fish is orange and white with what looks like black scales on its back,

    I like the Showas and Sanke and Kohaku but I'd probably aim for just one each of those, probably be difficult but I can only try, don't really want more than about 15 fish in 4000 gallons, just around that number and fully concentrate on those, but I don't really want to keep changing the stock, I've no intentioning of showing them, but I still want nice fish,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Koi View Post
    No wonder the prices are so high, Im struggling with the names of the type of Koi, I like the colour varieties, yellow and black, red and black, white and black, matsuba's, agasi's and the others that look like they have dark scales on their backs one such fish is orange and white with what looks like black scales on its back,

    I like the Showas and Sanke and Kohaku but I'd probably aim for just one each of those, probably be difficult but I can only try, don't really want more than about 15 fish in 4000 gallons, just around that number and fully concentrate on those, but I don't really want to keep changing the stock, I've no intentioning of showing them, but I still want nice fish,
    The great thing about Koi and the hobby is that there is something to match our diverse tastes, for me the simplicity and elegance of a big ogon is hard to match; they do become more of a pet than a fish...and they are cheap to boot!

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